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General cycling issues (Is Toronto bike friendly?)

Well sir, perhaps you could tell me what the following are?





But I trust you on your word. Indeed, you don't make any points.

Apparently reading comprehension really is an issue for you. Taking my words out of context makes you look rather foolish since anyone can look above and see what I actually wrote.

The first line you quote is me telling you what the article is about. The next line you quote is out of context, as everyone can see, and the third is given no context at all.
 
A strange response that has nothing to do with our exchange. And your words on democracy (moving as they were) are not relevant here.
Or redesign them to permit parking also as they do in some other cities.
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The pic is from the article that Waterloo linked.
 

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It appears that the Bloor lanes do have parking designed in them. I didn't know that. It doesn't excuse your ramblings, but I appreciate the information. I think you are arguing with the people in the article rather than the person who posted it. I would appreciate if you didn't take my words out of context in the future.
 
If they redesign them to permit parking, would would they do with the area where you currently park?

You've never actually seen this, have you?
The irony of his stance is that remaining parking is what dooms the "pilot" (he fails to understand the meaning of the word in his own linked reference) more than any other factor. Unfortunately for Toronto, it dooms most cycle lanes from functioning as they should. Bloor never should have been used as the "pilot" to determine further bike lanes. The lack of width and/or parking is impossible save for one possibility, still with many compromises for safety:

Parking is either south or north side, and a *twin* (bi-directional) bike lane is the other. There must be no alternating sides by blocks or sections. Sight lines would be much better, limited lane width is psychologically assisted with the dual carriage, and passing becomes possible when there's no on-coming cycle traffic. Pedestrian ingression remains a problem, but at least parked car passenger doors won't be. Pedestrians you can see most times from a distance, doors you often can't until too late.
 
The irony of his stance is that remaining parking is what dooms the "pilot" (he fails to understand the meaning of the word in his own linked reference) more than any other factor. Unfortunately for Toronto, it dooms most cycle lanes from functioning as they should. Bloor never should have been used as the "pilot" to determine further bike lanes. The lack of width and/or parking is impossible save for one possibility, still with many compromises for safety:

Parking is either south or north side, and a *twin* (bi-directional) bike lane is the other. Sight lines are much better, limited lane width is psychologically assisted with the dual carriage, and passing becomes possible when there's no on-coming cycle traffic.

You're beyond help.
 
A heads-up from Wilson Wu in the https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...dways-construction.19768/page-58#post-1218129 string:
Bikes on our sidewalks? Markham takes idea for a spin
"Sidewalks designed for pedestrians"
News Apr 21, 2016 by Amanda Persico Markham Economist & Sun


Move over, pedestrians. It might be time to share the sidewalk.



Instead of building new bike lanes adjacent to busy streets, Markham wants to look at allowing cyclists on underused sidewalks that run along major roads.



This was an issue Markham’s Cycling and Pedestrian Advisory Committee proposed last year, but there was no movement on it.



That is until this month when Mayor Frank Scarpitti urged city staff to look at the issue again.



“The sidewalk system is one of the most underutilized pieces of infrastructure we have,” he said during a recent development services committee meeting.



“Warden (Avenue) is a busy street. But you don’t see volumes of people on the sidewalk. We have kilometres upon kilometres of sidewalks sitting empty.”



Currently, Markham has a bylaw prohibiting bikes with wheels larger than 24 inches on sidewalks. That’s about the size of a junior mountain bike wheel.



Other municipalities such as Aurora, King, Richmond Hill and Vaughan all allow cycling on sidewalks to some degree.



The move would help boost cycling culture and create an added layer of safety, argued Peter Miasek of the city’s cycling committee.



“Not a lot of cyclists feel comfortable on busy streets riding with traffic,” said the Unionville resident.




According to York Regional Police, 23 people were killed in fatal motor vehicle collisions in 2015, of which three were cyclists.



Cycling on sidewalks would be a way to get more residents out of their cars, he added, especially for those short trips to buy groceries or even to a bus stop or GO Train station.



There are several options on the table, using the sidewalk along major roads as is or adding a multi-use path strip adjacent to the sidewalk.



Adding a strip of pathway along the boulevard is the preferred option, Miasek said, but he’s aware there aren’t infinite funds to retro-fit sidewalks.



There is also a push to include this concept as part of new road designs and road widening projects.



But permitting cyclists on sidewalks is about more than changing a city bylaw, warned Ontario Safety League president Brian Patterson. It’s a culture shift.



Ongoing communication, cycling and pedestrian education and proper and frequent signage could help mitigate issues between cyclists and pedestrians.



“You can’t just do it once or put up a sign and think the community is vaccinated,” Patterson said of Markham’s plan. “There will be confusion and it will be awkward. “Do you ride on this side or that side of the sidewalk? Sidewalks keep people where they need to be.”



A key issue is right of way between a cyclist, a mother pushing a stroller and a person with mobility issues, he added.



“Sidewalks were designed for pedestrians,” said Patterson. “You have discourteous drivers on the road and now you’re inviting discourteous cyclists on sidewalks.”



Speed is another concern, especially when it comes to cyclist-pedestrian collisions.



Other issues include driveway entrances along a route that could pose potential sightline issues for turning cars and sidewalk patios such as those along Main Street Markham and Main Street Unionville.



Those are they types of issues expected from a city staff report, Miasek added.



So far, the only allowance for cycling on sidewalks would be along roads where the speed is more than 50 km/hr.



Top-speed cyclists – those that cycle for sport or those who commute via bike – would most likely prefer to cycle on the road, Miasek said.



The issue becomes more complicated with the region in the mix. While the region may own the road, such as Warden Avenue or Kennedy Road, municipalities are responsible for the sidewalk, said the region’s director of infrastructure management in transportation services Stephen Collins.



The challenge, from the region’s perspective, is how cyclists would approach and cross the intersection, Collins said.



“Crosswalks are designed with walking in mind,” he said. “Adding a cyclist on the sidewalk would change the dynamic.”



Another obstacle could be cycling on sidewalks where there is a large number of transit stops, such as Yonge or Leslie streets.



The region is taking a similar approach along the new stretch of Hwy. 7 east of Town Centre Boulevard in Markham, where there will be a cycle track behind the curb, buffered by planters and up on the boulevard. Then, beyond the cycle track, there is a sidewalk.



There is a dedicated, on-road cycle lane along Hwy. 7 west of Town Centre Boulevard,



While there is a market for on-road bike lanes for those experienced cyclists, that is not the majority, Collins added.



“We heard loud and clear, general cyclists – those who buy their groceries or who bike to work occasionally – prefer to ride on a boulevard than on a street,” he said. “What’s important is it is a different space than the sidewalk space.”

by Amanda Persico
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If anyone can find more info on this, it would be much appreciated.
 
Turn them into proper paved bike infrastructure with accompanying pedestrian walkways (similar to along Eglinton) and that would be awesome. But just relegate bikes to the sidewalks? No thanks.
 
Turn them into proper paved bike infrastructure with accompanying pedestrian walkways (similar to along Eglinton) and that would be awesome. But just relegate bikes to the sidewalks? No thanks.
I agree completely, sidewalks proper are very dangerous and discontinuous at intersections. I'm trying to find another link to the story with pics and diagrams, but this is a pic that Wilson produced with his post at the York Region Transit link:

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Now that looks very well laid out. I'd have to see more of that before even riding it to give it a full endorsement, but everything showing in the pic looks very well thought out and implemented. It appears to be not a physically separated lane, but well buffered and obviously marked by the green.

If York Region can do this, why can't others? Got to find out more about this.
 
http://www2.markham.ca/markham/ccbs/indexfile/Agendas/2013/Development Services/pl131022/Hwy 7 Town Centre to Sciberras Presentation.pdf

The section of Highway 7 between Warden and Kennedy will feature a different bike lane design in which the bike lane is beside the sidewalk and is set behind the trees and shrubs and far away from the curb.

When the bike lane is approaching an intersection, for what I'm assuming is increasing visibility to cars, the bike lane will veer towards the roadway and run alongside the roadway while crossing the intersection before veering back to rejoin the sidewalk.

The setup is similar to the photo I posted earlier, but the bike lane and trees/shrubs will switch places.
 
I've seen a few of the very green lanes in York Region, they're quite noticeable. I'd be happy riding that layout pictured above.
 
The section of Highway 7 between Warden and Kennedy will feature a different bike lane design in which the bike lane is beside the sidewalk and is set behind the trees and shrubs and far away from the curb.

When the bike lane is approaching an intersection, for what I'm assuming is increasing visibility to cars, the bike lane will veer towards the roadway and run alongside the roadway while crossing the intersection before veering back to rejoin the sidewalk.

The setup is similar to the photo I posted earlier, but the bike lane and trees/shrubs will switch places.
Even better! There will be a loss of 'directness' and time by doing it that way, but anything to stay off streets/highways like that is a gift from God. I used to cycle Hwy 7 when I was younger....and crazy. I'm not too proud to say I've lost my nerve. Why chance it? I still do the distance, but not manic like I used to.

I've seen a few of the very green lanes in York Region, they're quite noticeable. I'd be happy riding that layout pictured above.
Yeah! I avoid regions like that like the plague, Mississauga immediately comes to mind, they drive way above the limit and pass you with millimeters left of space. It's a matter of time until you get hit, but with lanes like that? It changes everything. Still not an inviting place to be, but at least you can cycle through it with your body and mind intact to get where you want to be.

I Googled again last night, all the hits I found were out of date. What I did find is places like Newmarket are establishing bike lanes now, and in Newmarket's case, it's bi-directional one side, which I think is going to become the new standard in many instances.

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https://www.yorkregion.com/news-sto...o-promote-active-transportation-in-newmarket/

Even though the buffer is absolutely minimal, psychologically that looks far more inviting and comfortable than a single lane half that width each side. How homeowners feel about it might be a concern, but that's another matter. Twinned lane is going to be the solution for a lot of narrower roads, and that includes Bloor! It also permits *more* parking on the other side of the street, and right next to the sidewalk, so passenger as well as driver door prizes are eliminated. Sight lines are also vastly improved. That picture reminds me of parts of Cambridge...Hespeler to be exact. Oh man....only weeks away...the muscles are up and avid.
 
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I don't understand why cycling culture in North America is so against using sidewalks as cycling infrastructure.

In Poland, when I biked around Warsaw, the cycling lanes on the sidewalks always felt like the safest and easiest/most intuitive to use. Pedestrians knew to stay out of the cycling lane (which was most often separated by just a painted line) and the only interactions occurred at intersections and people jumping into parked cars.

Warsaw, as a city that was rebuilt post-war, has wide enough sidewalks to accomodate all this. That is something that suburbs like Markham and Toronto's inner suburbs share in common. Put cycle tracks on the sidewalk, and go one step further I say and place planters and trees in between the cycling track and the road.

In Steve's picture in the post above, why not go one step further and put the cycling track at-grade with the sidewalk, and really demonstrate that it is a separate piece of infrastructure from the road. It serves as a de facto sidewalk extension too.
 

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