nfitz
Superstar
Beating innocent people. Removing their identification. Failing to report their fellow officers who broke the law.
The police in question are scum.
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G-20 Summit in Toronto
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The police in question are scum.
Woodbridge_Heights
Senior Member
Patiently waiting for a PM from you with details of where you work. Judging from your predisposition to distrust of police officers I think I'd be safe from harrassment charges.
Don't you want to make an easy $200?
Dilla
Senior Member
Funny, you don't seem too patient to me.
Look, when you sign up to be a cop, you know there's going to be days where you're going to get yelled at. That's part of the job. You yelling at me at my work is hardly some comparable situation. Someone spitting? Throwing bottles? Well, then you're getting arrested, and I don't feel bad for anyone who does in that circumstance. However, I'm certain only a fraction of those arrested were doing anything of the sort. I also know that it's not necessary to beat the snot out of people to arrest them.
I also know the police bungled this whole situation, and no one will be called to task for it.
As for harrassment charges, why don't you just become a cop if you love them so much? That way you'll never be charged for anything (or so it seems).
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Admiral Beez
Superstar
This whole G20 mess was so easily avoided. I knew there was going to be demonstrations and protests, so I stayed away from the area. While protesters and others keen to cause delay and trouble were getting beaten and arrested by the police I was sitting in my backyard with a glass of wine. Perhaps people will now think twice before marching on Toronto's streets, and causing delay and disruption to the city. If you intend on marching and disrupting Toronto's streets, the TPS will be waiting for you. I do think that had the TPS put down the Tamil protests and disruptions will vigor the G20 protesters might have at least been forewarned what awaited them. In that sense, I blame the TPS for inconsistent enforcement.
Honestly I don't understand the G20 protest mentality or motivation, this culture of traveling the globe to protest the meetings of foreign leaders baffles me. Has anything ever been accomplished through these protests, by which I mean has policy or global decision making ever been impacted? And does anyone else notice that the protests always seem to be in the places where protest is easiest? Where were the bus loads of Quebecers who took to Toronto's streets when the G20 met in Beijing in 2005, for example?
Honestly I don't understand the G20 protest mentality or motivation, this culture of traveling the globe to protest the meetings of foreign leaders baffles me. Has anything ever been accomplished through these protests, by which I mean has policy or global decision making ever been impacted? And does anyone else notice that the protests always seem to be in the places where protest is easiest? Where were the bus loads of Quebecers who took to Toronto's streets when the G20 met in Beijing in 2005, for example?
Dilla
Senior Member
I too was relaxing at home all weekend. I'm not the protesting type, and I knew it was going to unpleasant. Some of the images I saw were startling, one person would be smashing something, and 20 people with cameras would be around them. There were so many people there just to see what happens, rather than even protesting, perhaps a majority even. If you weren't really pissed off about something and didn't have an agenda, you really shouldn't have been there, it just provided cover for the *ahem* anarchists 
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These protests haven't accomplished a thing, no. I could understand the appeal if it seemed they were leading somewhere, getting larger each and every time the G20 met. That's just not happening, however. It's really just a bunch of kids who are so stupid they think that if they get on TV they've changed something.
However, I don't think the protesters caused anymore delays than the ludicrous security fence and the like did. The protests were one day, a Saturday at that. The fence (and all the crap that went with it) was around all week. Essentially, the core of the city was at 1/4 capacity for 5 business days. If you want to talk about delay and disruption, talk about that. Lots of business was lost, and Huntsville was compensated.
. These protests haven't accomplished a thing, no. I could understand the appeal if it seemed they were leading somewhere, getting larger each and every time the G20 met. That's just not happening, however. It's really just a bunch of kids who are so stupid they think that if they get on TV they've changed something.
However, I don't think the protesters caused anymore delays than the ludicrous security fence and the like did. The protests were one day, a Saturday at that. The fence (and all the crap that went with it) was around all week. Essentially, the core of the city was at 1/4 capacity for 5 business days. If you want to talk about delay and disruption, talk about that. Lots of business was lost, and Huntsville was compensated.
unimaginative2
Senior Member
Wow. This sounds a lot like the witness cone of silence that police complain about when they're not the offenders.
How a man named Nobody became the battered face of G20 protests
JOE FRIESEN
From Tuesday's Globe and Mail
Published Tuesday, Nov. 30, 2010 3:00AM EST
Adam Nobody was face down, his arms held behind his back, and a police officer’s fist smashing into his face, a now infamous video shows. He had left his house to see what the G20 protests were about.
Now he was under arrest. His case has become the collision point for those demanding a public inquiry into the policing of the G20 protests.
What Mr. Nobody says happened next wasn’t caught on tape. He said in an interview with The Globe and Mail that after being led behind a police wagon shielded from public view, another officer asked him his name. “Adam,” he replied. He was again face down, an officer’s boot resting on his head.
“Adam what?” the officer asked, according to Mr. Nobody’s recollection.
“Adam Nobody,” he said.
He said the officer lifted his boot and kicked him in the face. He kicked him again. And again. “Stop being a smartass,” the officer said.
“It’s my name,” Mr. Nobody said he told the officer. The officer pulled the man’s ID from his back pocket. “Shit,” he said. “This guy really is a Nobody.”
Mr. Nobody ended up with a shattered cheekbone, and a broken nose. Blood poured from his head. His eye was swollen shut.
The Special Investigations Unit, which is charged with investigating police, said the video of his arrest at Queen’s Park was evidence of a “probable use of excessive force,” but did not lay charges. Toronto police chief Bill Blair said on Monday the video evidence of Mr. Nobody’s arrest, uploaded to YouTube, was “tampered with,” and that the missing seconds would explain why he was arrested. He said on radio Monday that his impression was the police were dealing with a “violent armed offender.”
On Monday night, John Bridge, who shot the video of Mr. Nobody’s arrest swore an affidavit that contradicts Mr. Blair’s assertion. He said Mr. Nobody did not attack any of the police officers, and was not armed.
Mr. Nobody said he was troubled by Mr. Blair’s comments.
“After all I’ve been through. ... It’s too much. It’s uncalled for. Very deliberate on his behalf and I do not appreciate it whatsoever,” Mr. Nobody said.
Mr. Nobody is a 27-year-old freelance stage builder. He said he changed his name from Adam Trombetta about two years ago because it made for better puns. He suggested the headline for his story should be Nobody hurt at Queen’s Park.
On the morning of June 26, the Saturday of the G20 summit, Mr. Nobody heard about the protests but wasn’t much interested. Eventually, he wandered over to the designated protest area at Queen’s Park to see what was going on. Bored, he went to buy some beer and a poster board to make his own protest sign. When he returned to Queen’s Park he busied himself with his sign, a joking homage to an episode of Beverly Hills 90210, which read “Let Donna Graduate.”
“I thought it would be funny,” Mr. Nobody said. As he finished writing, a line of police approached from behind. He started to back away, and then an officer charged at him. Mr. Nobody said he turned and ran. He threw away his bag, and then the officer dove and tackled him. This is the sequence that can be seen on the YouTube video.
“The next thing I know, there’s cops on top of me punching me, kicking me in the face, having at me,” Mr. Nobody said. “People around us are just screaming, “What are you doing. You’ve got him. Stop beating him.’”
The SIU investigators identified two officers who were the subject of their investigation, but those officers declined to be interviewed, as is their right. The SIU concluded it could not lay charges. Mr. Blair has not said whether the officers are members of the Toronto police or officers brought in from elsewhere.
Mr. Nobody said he remembers thinking, as the blows kept coming and the world became a shiny haze, “I can’t believe this is happening to me.
“Not only was it a beating, it was humiliating. It was like I was nothing.”
Mr. Nobody said several officers laughed later on as he was beaten behind the police wagons. He was charged with assaulting a police officer, and obstruction of a police officer. Mr. Nobody’s defence lawyer Christopher Murphy said the Crown withdrew the charges.
“They had no evidence,” Mr. Murphy said.
Mr. Nobody spent 31 hours in jail. He spent three days in hospital. He went through several hours of surgery to repair his broken nose. He couldn’t lie down to sleep.
He has retained lawyers Julian Falconer and Sunil Mathai. They have up to two years to decide whether to bring a lawsuit. In the meantime, they are asking the SIU to reopen the investigation.
One of the key questions is who arrested Mr. Nobody. The officer listed on the arrest record provided a badge number that doesn’t correspond to anyone on the Toronto force, according to the SIU, or to any officer believed to have worked in G20 policing.
At his court appearance last month, the Crown conceded that there was no evidence to support the assault charge. The Crown lawyer said the officers’ notes did not indicate an assault had taken place. The Crown also said Mr. Nobody’s “assaultive behaviour” did not amount to reasonable and probable grounds for arrest.
“The Chief of the largest police service in the country has made an allegation of fabricating evidence against Mr. Nobody and Mr. Bridge in circumstances where, apparently, according to the arrest document, the police have falsified a badge number,” Mr. Falconer said. “The police refuse to come forward to acknowledge who beat Mr. Nobody. This is the stuff of totalitarian regimes.”
How a man named Nobody became the battered face of G20 protests
JOE FRIESEN
From Tuesday's Globe and Mail
Published Tuesday, Nov. 30, 2010 3:00AM EST
Adam Nobody was face down, his arms held behind his back, and a police officer’s fist smashing into his face, a now infamous video shows. He had left his house to see what the G20 protests were about.
Now he was under arrest. His case has become the collision point for those demanding a public inquiry into the policing of the G20 protests.
What Mr. Nobody says happened next wasn’t caught on tape. He said in an interview with The Globe and Mail that after being led behind a police wagon shielded from public view, another officer asked him his name. “Adam,” he replied. He was again face down, an officer’s boot resting on his head.
“Adam what?” the officer asked, according to Mr. Nobody’s recollection.
“Adam Nobody,” he said.
He said the officer lifted his boot and kicked him in the face. He kicked him again. And again. “Stop being a smartass,” the officer said.
“It’s my name,” Mr. Nobody said he told the officer. The officer pulled the man’s ID from his back pocket. “Shit,” he said. “This guy really is a Nobody.”
Mr. Nobody ended up with a shattered cheekbone, and a broken nose. Blood poured from his head. His eye was swollen shut.
The Special Investigations Unit, which is charged with investigating police, said the video of his arrest at Queen’s Park was evidence of a “probable use of excessive force,” but did not lay charges. Toronto police chief Bill Blair said on Monday the video evidence of Mr. Nobody’s arrest, uploaded to YouTube, was “tampered with,” and that the missing seconds would explain why he was arrested. He said on radio Monday that his impression was the police were dealing with a “violent armed offender.”
On Monday night, John Bridge, who shot the video of Mr. Nobody’s arrest swore an affidavit that contradicts Mr. Blair’s assertion. He said Mr. Nobody did not attack any of the police officers, and was not armed.
Mr. Nobody said he was troubled by Mr. Blair’s comments.
“After all I’ve been through. ... It’s too much. It’s uncalled for. Very deliberate on his behalf and I do not appreciate it whatsoever,” Mr. Nobody said.
Mr. Nobody is a 27-year-old freelance stage builder. He said he changed his name from Adam Trombetta about two years ago because it made for better puns. He suggested the headline for his story should be Nobody hurt at Queen’s Park.
On the morning of June 26, the Saturday of the G20 summit, Mr. Nobody heard about the protests but wasn’t much interested. Eventually, he wandered over to the designated protest area at Queen’s Park to see what was going on. Bored, he went to buy some beer and a poster board to make his own protest sign. When he returned to Queen’s Park he busied himself with his sign, a joking homage to an episode of Beverly Hills 90210, which read “Let Donna Graduate.”
“I thought it would be funny,” Mr. Nobody said. As he finished writing, a line of police approached from behind. He started to back away, and then an officer charged at him. Mr. Nobody said he turned and ran. He threw away his bag, and then the officer dove and tackled him. This is the sequence that can be seen on the YouTube video.
“The next thing I know, there’s cops on top of me punching me, kicking me in the face, having at me,” Mr. Nobody said. “People around us are just screaming, “What are you doing. You’ve got him. Stop beating him.’”
The SIU investigators identified two officers who were the subject of their investigation, but those officers declined to be interviewed, as is their right. The SIU concluded it could not lay charges. Mr. Blair has not said whether the officers are members of the Toronto police or officers brought in from elsewhere.
Mr. Nobody said he remembers thinking, as the blows kept coming and the world became a shiny haze, “I can’t believe this is happening to me.
“Not only was it a beating, it was humiliating. It was like I was nothing.”
Mr. Nobody said several officers laughed later on as he was beaten behind the police wagons. He was charged with assaulting a police officer, and obstruction of a police officer. Mr. Nobody’s defence lawyer Christopher Murphy said the Crown withdrew the charges.
“They had no evidence,” Mr. Murphy said.
Mr. Nobody spent 31 hours in jail. He spent three days in hospital. He went through several hours of surgery to repair his broken nose. He couldn’t lie down to sleep.
He has retained lawyers Julian Falconer and Sunil Mathai. They have up to two years to decide whether to bring a lawsuit. In the meantime, they are asking the SIU to reopen the investigation.
One of the key questions is who arrested Mr. Nobody. The officer listed on the arrest record provided a badge number that doesn’t correspond to anyone on the Toronto force, according to the SIU, or to any officer believed to have worked in G20 policing.
At his court appearance last month, the Crown conceded that there was no evidence to support the assault charge. The Crown lawyer said the officers’ notes did not indicate an assault had taken place. The Crown also said Mr. Nobody’s “assaultive behaviour” did not amount to reasonable and probable grounds for arrest.
“The Chief of the largest police service in the country has made an allegation of fabricating evidence against Mr. Nobody and Mr. Bridge in circumstances where, apparently, according to the arrest document, the police have falsified a badge number,” Mr. Falconer said. “The police refuse to come forward to acknowledge who beat Mr. Nobody. This is the stuff of totalitarian regimes.”
Roy G Biv
Senior Member
Sorry. If he didn't want to be kicked in the face, he should have stayed out of the kitchen.
nfitz
Superstar
Fair enough ... but surely the piece of crap that broke the law and physically assaulted him should still face criminal charges, right?
unimaginative2
Senior Member
Assuming you're not being sarcastic, I wasn't aware this city had designated zones ("kitchens") where police can freely kick people in the face. Did they advertise this in advance?
Peepers
Banned
I just listened to this interview of Bill Blair on metro morning
http://www.cbc.ca/video/news/audioplayer.html?clipid=1672971831
In the interview Blair essentially alleges obstruction of justice by the person who uploaded the video to You Tube. Blair claims that the "tape" was forensically examined and that Police found "evidence" that it was "doctored" "fabricated" "altered" and "tampered" with.
The SIU AND the Police Services Board should demand that Blair back up his wild allegations with evidence. If he cannot back up these claims then it is obvious that Blair has committed slander against a private citizen.
In the same interview Blair makes this unbelievable claim that his officers "were in the middle of arresting a violent ARMED offender and the use of that weapon was removed from that tape"
The SIU should demand from Blair proof that Adam Nobody was armed. If as Blair alleges the "use of the weapon was removed from that tape" where is the weapon? Did it vanish into thin air?
If Blair cannot back up his wild claims he should be fired with cause and charged with obstruction of justice and criminal breach of trust.
http://www.cbc.ca/video/news/audioplayer.html?clipid=1672971831
In the interview Blair essentially alleges obstruction of justice by the person who uploaded the video to You Tube. Blair claims that the "tape" was forensically examined and that Police found "evidence" that it was "doctored" "fabricated" "altered" and "tampered" with.
The SIU AND the Police Services Board should demand that Blair back up his wild allegations with evidence. If he cannot back up these claims then it is obvious that Blair has committed slander against a private citizen.
In the same interview Blair makes this unbelievable claim that his officers "were in the middle of arresting a violent ARMED offender and the use of that weapon was removed from that tape"
The SIU should demand from Blair proof that Adam Nobody was armed. If as Blair alleges the "use of the weapon was removed from that tape" where is the weapon? Did it vanish into thin air?
If Blair cannot back up his wild claims he should be fired with cause and charged with obstruction of justice and criminal breach of trust.
Parsnips
New Member
I just listened to this interview of Bill Blair on metro morning
http://www.cbc.ca/video/news/audioplayer.html?clipid=1672971831
In the interview Blair essentially alleges obstruction of justice by the person who uploaded the video to You Tube. Blair claims that the "tape" was forensically examined and that Police found "evidence" that it was "doctored" "fabricated" "altered" and "tampered" with.
The SIU AND the Police Services Board should demand that Blair back up his wild allegations with evidence. If he cannot back up these claims then it is obvious that Blair has committed slander against a private citizen.
In the same interview Blair makes this unbelievable claim that his officers "were in the middle of arresting a violent ARMED offender and the use of that weapon was removed from that tape"
The SIU should demand from Blair proof that Adam Nobody was armed. If as Blair alleges the "use of the weapon was removed from that tape" where is the weapon? Did it vanish into thin air?
If Blair cannot back up his wild claims he should be fired with cause and charged with obstruction of justice and criminal breach of trust.
But Mr. Nobody doesn't have to back up the claim that he was punched in the face?
Peepers
Banned
What are you talking about? He had the physical injuries to PROVE it. If there is any doubt as to how he received the injuries we have video evidence as well as his own statements which seem to be very believable. When you read the Globe story posted above it becomes obvious why he was the target of a brutal assault. When asked for his last name he replied "Nobody" at which point the cop lost it and started to kick the shit out of him.
Did you even listen to the Blair interview? Do you think it is OK for a police chief to make wild accusations against a private citizen claiming that a video was "doctored" in essence accusing someone of committing obstruction of justice?
Parsnips
New Member
I didn't say it's ok for Blair to make those accusations, because it's not.
Nobody's injury could've been the result of being tackled, and thus not intentional. Both Mr. Nobody and Blair need to provide sufficient proof.
Nobody's injury could've been the result of being tackled, and thus not intentional. Both Mr. Nobody and Blair need to provide sufficient proof.
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nfitz
Superstar
Given the claim and the video it certainly looks bad for the police.
But surely the clincher, is the guy was arrested ... but it's not possible from the police paperwork to tell who the arresting officer was? Doesn't that strike you as extremely unusual?
Seems to be to big of a coincidence that such an unusual event happened to someone with
- severe injuries that are consistent with being kicked in the head,
- claims of being beaten
- video confirming much of the incident.
Much to big of a coincidence in my books. It's no wonder the SIU concluded that the police had likely beaten him.
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Parsnips
New Member
Did they do paperwork as usual even during the mass arrests?
Assuming so, then yes it is a little unusual. It was the arresting officer that punched him?
Assuming so, then yes it is a little unusual. It was the arresting officer that punched him?