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From Q3 2017 Lennard Market report, last paragraph of page (page 8) just before “Closing Comments” mentions:
"Our last reviewed sale in this marathon of transactions pertains to 4636 Yonge Street in North York for $10,500,000. The property was acquired by Claude Bitton from a private investor and measures 0.438 acres. The purchaser owned the adjacent property at 4656 Yonge Street, acquired in 2015 for $8,150,000 for 0.484 acres of land. At the time of writing, no application for redevelopment has been submitted."

Claude Bitton of "CB Holdings Ltd" is/was a land-assembler/speculator of questionable motives of various properties throughout Toronto (google returns interesting stories in Kensington Market and Bloor St West),...
- July 17, 2012: "Humber Cinema Likely Back In The DeadPool"
- Jun 29, 2017: "Why this Kensington market tenant is having to fight to stay in his apartment... again"
- Oct 7, 2017: "Suspected ghost hotel ordered closed by city"
- and of course,... August 18th, 2008: "Twelve Charged with Defrauding the Government"

Here, Claude Bitton land assembly (outline in red in image below; red pin are properties within land-assembly, yellow pins are properties sought after) also includes:
- 16 and 18 Cameron Ave - the first two adjacent Single Residential Houses along north side of Cameron Ave
- 4656 Yonge St: original long time family owned L&G Autobody became a CarStar franchise then TD Insurance Auto Centre - operated by same staff
- 4632-4648 Yonge St: 2-storey yellow-white building hosted variety of businesses but once Claude Bitton took ownership - the type of businesses he rented to included Rub-&-Tub Massage Parlour (2nd floor), Weed Shop (ground floor corner retail),... and Sex Doll Brothel (North America's first) - I can't make this stuff up!
Note: This is the only non-redeveloped block along west side of Yonge between Sheppard and 401 without a corporately owned gas station (which has low chance of redevelopment for decades, gas station on Toronto's main street just before highway 401 - the busiest highway in North America)

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There seems to be an effort to find the most undesirable types of business tenants,... to piss off local residents and surrounding businesses,... Why?
- Claude Bitton was likely trying to force them to sell cheap, so he could acquire more properties for larger land-assembly! He still wanted 4664 Yonge, 2-storey retail plaza at southwest corner of Yonge and Florence/Avondale,.. owner not interested in selling!
- Propose oversize Redevelopment,... and local would be less willing to fight redevelopment since it'll get rid of the undesirable businesses (Rub-&-Tub Massage Parlour, Weed Shop, Sex Doll Brothel)

A rough sketch-up of redevelopment proposal that never made it to official submission at City Planning Development Application,... seems to be designed by Rosario Varacalli (moonlighting at Cusimano Architects (Studio185) - who was architect for nearby Bazis' Em-mould,... err, I mean Emerald Park (under construction in rendering below) - that's a flooding joke, LOL!),... 32 and 20-storey on 4-storey retail/office podium.

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source: http://studio185.ca/condominium-concept/


In Summer 2018, Aura Sex Doll Brothel posted posters advertising their opening in the local area,... local Mom Group, local West Lansing Homeowners Association and then Cllr John Filion fought it,... Toronto Catholic District School Board Trustee Maria Rizzo (a former City of North York Councillor) reminded Cllr Filion there's an old ByLaw from City of North York that forbids such establishment in Residential area of North York,.... and that was the main tool Cllr Filion used to keep the Sex Doll Brothel from opening

Aug 31, 2018: "Sex doll brothel not going ahead in North York plaza, councillor says"

Interestingly, just days before the planned September 8, 2018 opening of the Sex Doll Brothel,... Claude Bitton passed away,... his estate and CB Holdings goes to his family which includes Wife, son and daughter - all adults. Since then, the retail tenants have been more conventional,... along with the long-time questionable booze can bar! Oh, and some big boys from New York City came around looking for Claude Bitton, they wanted their money - seems he borrowed heavily,..

Google Earth image of site,... well, the Bubble Tea Shop is gone and now a Monkey Sushi
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So why am I now starting a new thread,.... for redevelopment proposal that never even saw the light of day a few years ago,... wait a few months,...
 
From Q3 2017 Lennard Market report, last paragraph of page (page 8) just before “Closing Comments” mentions:
"Our last reviewed sale in this marathon of transactions pertains to 4636 Yonge Street in North York for $10,500,000. The property was acquired by Claude Bitton from a private investor and measures 0.438 acres. The purchaser owned the adjacent property at 4656 Yonge Street, acquired in 2015 for $8,150,000 for 0.484 acres of land. At the time of writing, no application for redevelopment has been submitted."

Claude Bitton of "CB Holdings Ltd" is/was a land-assembler/speculator of questionable motives of various properties throughout Toronto (google returns interesting stories in Kensington Market and Bloor St West),...
- July 17, 2012: "Humber Cinema Likely Back In The DeadPool"
- Jun 29, 2017: "Why this Kensington market tenant is having to fight to stay in his apartment... again"
- Oct 7, 2017: "Suspected ghost hotel ordered closed by city"
- and of course,... August 18th, 2008: "Twelve Charged with Defrauding the Government"

Here, Claude Bitton land assembly (outline in red in image below; red pin are properties within land-assembly, yellow pins are properties sought after) also includes:
- 16 and 18 Cameron Ave - the first two adjacent Single Residential Houses along north side of Cameron Ave
- 4656 Yonge St: original long time family owned L&G Autobody became a CarStar franchise then TD Insurance Auto Centre - operated by same staff
- 4632-4648 Yonge St: 2-storey yellow-white building hosted variety of businesses but once Claude Bitton took ownership - the type of businesses he rented to included Rub-&-Tub Massage Parlour (2nd floor), Weed Shop (ground floor corner retail),... and Sex Doll Brothel (North America's first) - I can't make this stuff up!
Note: This is the only non-redeveloped block along west side of Yonge between Sheppard and 401 without a corporately owned gas station (which has low chance of redevelopment for decades, gas station on Toronto's main street just before highway 401 - the busiest highway in North America)

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There seems to be an effort to find the most undesirable types of business tenants,... to piss off local residents and surrounding businesses,... Why?
- Claude Bitton was likely trying to force them to sell cheap, so he could acquire more properties for larger land-assembly! He still wanted 4664 Yonge, 2-storey retail plaza at southwest corner of Yonge and Florence/Avondale,.. owner not interested in selling!
- Propose oversize Redevelopment,... and local would be less willing to fight redevelopment since it'll get rid of the undesirable businesses (Rub-&-Tub Massage Parlour, Weed Shop, Sex Doll Brothel)

A rough sketch-up of redevelopment proposal that never made it to official submission at City Planning Development Application,... seems to be designed by Rosario Varacalli (moonlighting at Cusimano Architects (Studio185) - who was architect for nearby Bazis' Em-mould,... err, I mean Emerald Park (under construction in rendering below) - that's a flooding joke, LOL!),... 32 and 20-storey on 4-storey retail/office podium.

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source: http://studio185.ca/condominium-concept/


In Summer 2018, Aura Sex Doll Brothel posted posters advertising their opening in the local area,... local Mom Group, local West Lansing Homeowners Association and then Cllr John Filion fought it,... Toronto Catholic District School Board Trustee Maria Rizzo (a former City of North York Councillor) reminded Cllr Filion there's an old ByLaw from City of North York that forbids such establishment in Residential area of North York,.... and that was the main tool Cllr Filion used to keep the Sex Doll Brothel from opening

Aug 31, 2018: "Sex doll brothel not going ahead in North York plaza, councillor says"

Interestingly, just days before the planned September 8, 2018 opening of the Sex Doll Brothel,... Claude Bitton passed away,... his estate and CB Holdings goes to his family which includes Wife, son and daughter - all adults. Since then, the retail tenants have been more conventional,... along with the long-time questionable booze can bar! Oh, and some big boys from New York City came around looking for Claude Bitton, they wanted their money - seems he borrowed heavily,..

Google Earth image of site,... well, the Bubble Tea Shop is gone and now a Monkey Sushi
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So why am I now starting a new thread,.... for redevelopment proposal that never even saw the light of day a few years ago,... wait a few months,...

I'm sure you have probably answered this on another thread, cant seem to find. how far down is protected lands for a possible future Beecroft south extension? Does it stop at Florence Ave?
 
I'm sure you have probably answered this on another thread, cant seem to find. how far down is protected lands for a possible future Beecroft south extension? Does it stop at Florence Ave?

Why is there's always somebody trying to get me in trouble?

Anyways,...
- Back in the mid-1980s, City of North York was talking about Beecroft South extension eventually reaching Franklin Ave - at the foot of Highway 401! This was the time, discussion about Beecroft Rd extending south of Sheppard to Poyntz with HR Developments' of Nestle Canada Phase 1 & 2 building's land conveyance - Phase 1 completed early 1990s; Phase 2 stalled and now Menkes 4800 Yonge
- Since 2015-ish, CityStaff are heavily in favour of a Beecroft South Extension,... especially since ReImaginingYonge because they know TransformYonge lane reduction will mess up traffic in the area!
- In this post, I referred to Beecroft ending now on Poyntz Ave,... and in that area North York Centre Secondary Plan boundary is rear property line of houses along southside of Poyntz Av and northside of Johnston Av (one street south) which are in Single Residential House neighbourhood - this is where the "protected lands for a possible future Beecroft south extension" ends!,.... so here in Redevelopment Proposal for 23, 25, 27 Poyntz Ave - they can NOT propose anything on that western portion that would block a Beecroft Rd extension! That's exactly why past Development Application was only for 1.05FSI Density VS 1.5FSI maximum allowable,... so that land within the North York Centre Secondary Plan is reserved for Beecroft South Extension,... only on those lots along south side of Poyntz - but not south of there into the Single Residential House neighbourhood.

So you're really asking,.... how far south can Beecroft South extension go into the Single Residential House neighbourhood,... into the Protected Single Residential House neighbourhood of West Lansing! With more and more redevelopment along Yonge Corridor (both North York Centre Secondary Plan (401 to Cummer/Drewry) and now Yonge Street North Secondary Plan (Cummer/Drewry to Steeles)),... and TransformYonge lane reduction,... there'll be more and more pressure to extend both Doris and Beecroft southward closer and closer to Highway 401!

And now it gets interesting! Over the decades,... after witnessing road extensions for Beecroft and Doris,... both north and south extensions plow through previously Single Residential House neighbourhoods,... the local Ratepayers Group (West Lansing Homeowners Association) with support of previous Cllr Filion - started the West Lansing Zoning Study,... which formalized a policy for the first block of Single Residential Houses between Yonge and Botham,...
- Technically, West Lansing Zoning study allow lot splits of 50' frontage lots into two 25' frontage lots only within first block (Yonge St to Botham Rd) of Franklin Ave, Cameron Ave, Florence Ave and Johnston Ave - anywhere else in WestLansing will get automatic rejection from Committee of Adjustment,... but Investor/Builder can just appeal to OMB/TLAB and try their luck there - at more cost for Lawyer and Planner.

- In WestLansing, here, the original subdivision into 25' lots was done around 1912; of course many brought multiple adjacent lots of 50' or more which were later severed into uncommon sizes - can't fight lot severance to 25' lot since 25' lots have been here since the original subdivision!
- Say a postwar bungalow on 50' frontage lot between Yonge and Botham cost $2.5m
- Say a House Builder, acquires this postwar bungalow, does lot split into two 25' lot to build two McSkinnies at $2.5m each,...
- Now a Land-Assembler/Developer will need to deal with 2 sellers (logistically more difficult) and pay double the price,... $5m vs $2.5m, for the same land that once hosted a post-war bungalow! This makes large Lot-Assembly more expensive and logistically more difficult (must deal with more sellers being in agreement) - thus, making it difficult for Condo Developers and City to extend Beecroft south!

Notice how the expensive 25' frontage lots with McSkinnies (yellow) are clustered in the blocks between Yonge and Botham Rd - making it extra tough logistically and expensive to for land-assembly for condo/townhouse redevelopment and Beecroft south extension
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NOTE: Image above also shows the boundaries of North York Centre Secondary Plan through this site,... the rear parking lots of 4632-4656 Yonge are not included!

Here's an image I did a few years ago, showing a possible Beecroft South extension - straight line VS curved route taking out cheaper bungalows on large lots
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But since then, some of those cheaper bungalows on large lots - specifically 2 bungalows on 50' & 75' lots along north side of Florence Ave (acquired at discount for about $4m total) - has been redeveloped to 5 McSkinnies (wood roof awaiting shingles in image) worth about $14m total,... a land-assembler, developer or City will now have to pay $10m more for that land,...
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NOTE: While City typically get land conveyed by Developers,... but there's an opportunity cost, typically bigger bang for the buck elsewhere!

CityStaff would likely target Beecroft south extension to end at Florence - since there's traffic light at Yonge & Florence/Avondale,.... but we won't see a Beecroft South Extension for a very very long time!
- the corporate owned Shell gas station (southwest corner of Yonge & Poyntz) and Esso gas station (northwest corner of Yonge & Florence/Avondale) won't be redeveloped for decades - gas station on Yonge St right before Highway 401!
- you'll have to wait out until these newly built $2.8m McSkinnies become basically worthless commody houses where land value is worth more than the house itself - as they are for postwar bungalows now.
 

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Why is there's always somebody trying to get me in trouble?

Anyways,...
- Back in the mid-1980s, City of North York was talking about Beecroft South extension eventually reaching Franklin Ave - at the foot of Highway 401! This was the time, discussion about Beecroft Rd extending south of Sheppard to Poyntz with HR Developments' of Nestle Canada Phase 1 & 2 building's land conveyance - Phase 1 completed early 1990s; Phase 2 stalled and now Menkes 4800 Yonge
- Since 2015-ish, CityStaff are heavily in favour of a Beecroft South Extension,... especially since ReImaginingYonge because they know TransformYonge lane reduction will mess up traffic in the area!
- In this post, I referred to Beecroft ending now on Poyntz Ave,... and in that area North York Centre Secondary Plan boundary is rear property line of houses along southside of Poyntz Av and northside of Johnston Av (one street south) which are in Single Residential House neighbourhood - this is where the "protected lands for a possible future Beecroft south extension" ends!,.... so here in Redevelopment Proposal for 23, 25, 27 Poyntz Ave - they can NOT propose anything on that western portion that would block a Beecroft Rd extension! That's exactly why past Development Application was only for 1.05FSI Density VS 1.5FSI maximum allowable,... so that land within the North York Centre Secondary Plan is reserved for Beecroft South Extension,... only on those lots along south side of Poyntz - but not south of there into the Single Residential House neighbourhood.

So you're really asking,.... how far south can Beecroft South extension go into the Single Residential House neighbourhood,... into the Protected Single Residential House neighbourhood of West Lansing! With more and more redevelopment along Yonge Corridor (both North York Centre Secondary Plan (401 to Cummer/Drewry) and now Yonge Street North Secondary Plan (Cummer/Drewry to Steeles)),... and TransformYonge lane reduction,... there'll be more and more pressure to extend both Doris and Beecroft southward closer and closer to Highway 401!

And now it gets interesting! Over the decades,... after witnessing road extensions for Beecroft and Doris,... both north and south extensions plow through previously Single Residential House neighbourhoods,... the local Ratepayers Group (West Lansing Homeowners Association) with support of previous Cllr Filion - started the West Lansing Zoning Study,... which formalized a policy for the first block of Single Residential Houses between Yonge and Botham,...
- Technically, West Lansing Zoning study allow lot splits of 50' frontage lots into two 25' frontage lots only within first block (Yonge St to Botham Rd) of Franklin Ave, Cameron Ave, Florence Ave and Johnston Ave - anywhere else in WestLansing will get automatic rejection from Committee of Adjustment,... but Investor/Builder can just appeal to OMB/TLAB and try their luck there - at more cost for Lawyer and Planner.

- In WestLansing, here, the original subdivision into 25' lots was done around 1912; of course many brought multiple adjacent lots of 50' or more which were later severed into uncommon sizes - can't fight lot severance to 25' lot since 25' lots have been here since the original subdivision!
- Say a postwar bungalow on 50' frontage lot between Yonge and Botham cost $2.5m
- Say a House Builder, acquires this postwar bungalow, does lot split into two 25' lot to build two McSkinnies at $2.5m each,...
- Now a Land-Assembler/Developer will need to deal with 2 sellers (logistically more difficult) and pay double the price,... $5m vs $2.5m, for the same land that once hosted a post-war bungalow! This makes large Lot-Assembly more expensive and logistically more difficult (must deal with more sellers being in agreement) - thus, making it difficult for Condo Developers and City to extend Beecroft south!

Here's an image I did a few years ago, showing a possible Beecroft South extension - straight line VS curved route taking out cheaper bungalows on large lots
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But since then, some of those cheaper bungalows on large lots - specifically 2 bungalows on 50' & 75' lots along north side of Florence Ave (acquired at discount for about $4m total) - has been redeveloped to 5 McSkinnies (wood roof awaiting shingles in image) worth about $14m total,... a land-assembler, developer or City will now have to pay $10m more for that land,...
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NOTE: While City typically get land conveyed by Developers,... but there's an opportunity cost, typically bigger bang for the buck elsewhere!

CityStaff would likely target Beecroft south extension to end at Florence - since there's traffic light at Yonge & Florence/Avondale,.... but we won't see a Beecroft South Extension for a very very long time!
- the corporate owned Shell gas station (southwest corner of Yonge & Poyntz) and Esso gas station (northwest corner of Yonge & Florence/Avondale) won't be redeveloped for decades - gas station on Yonge St right before Highway 401!
- you'll have to wait out until these newly built $2.8m McSkinnies become basically worthless commody houses where land value is worth more than the house itself - as they are for postwar bungalows now.
Thanks @sunnyraytoronto .. nice to see the amount of thought you have put into this. The City really showed there hand with the current Redevelopment Proposal for 23, 25, 27 Poyntz Ave. As this was the reason i was asking. I do see the need for the extension. like you mentioned about the mcskinnies....I can now see the alignment being the yellow straight path.

Just wished the city never allowed the Mcskinnies east of a possible future Beecroft extension. Like you mentioned it was only talked about for 40 years for a possible option to extend (mid 1980s). lol
 
Thanks @sunnyraytoronto .. nice to see the amount of thought you have put into this. The City really showed there hand with the current Redevelopment Proposal for 23, 25, 27 Poyntz Ave. As this was the reason i was asking. I do see the need for the extension. like you mentioned about the mcskinnies....I can now see the alignment being the yellow straight path.

Just wished the city never allowed the Mcskinnies east of a possible future Beecroft extension. Like you mentioned it was only talked about for 40 years for a possible option to extend (mid 1980s). lol

While the City of North York introduced the idea of a Beecroft Extension south beyond Poyntz, it was never an official project,... hence land was never acquired/conveyed for it.

During about the same time, the Doris South Extension became official project since early 1990s,... 30 years ago, City was slow to act so a Local Land-Assembler brought up all the land along westside of Bonnington Place... and forced City's hand,.. City expropriated all the land in 2016, but even now,.. still need another lot - owned by this same Local Land-Assembler/Investor/Developer,.. 30 years, and now it'll take at least another 5 years for Doris South Extension to materialize

Ideally, City likes large projects like 5800 Yonge or Inez Court,... that has to give up land for Beecroft north extension,...

Here, 3 out of the 4 blocks along westside of Yonge St between Ponytz to Franklin has corporate owned gas stations - that are not in a hurry to redevelop. This is the only block, that's redevelop-able anytime soon,... and even then, it's limited as 16 & 18 Cameron Ave are in the Single Residential House Zones - and could only be used as roadways-driveways to service the back of the Condo,... even most of the parking lot behind 4632-4656 Yonge are technically also in the Single Residential House Zone VS higher density North York Centre Secondary Plan area.
 
While the City of North York introduced the idea of a Beecroft Extension south beyond Poyntz, it was never an official project,... hence land was never acquired/conveyed for it.

During about the same time, the Doris South Extension became official project since early 1990s,... 30 years ago, City was slow to act so a Local Land-Assembler brought up all the land along westside of Bonnington Place... and forced City's hand,.. City expropriated all the land in 2016, but even now,.. still need another lot - owned by this same Local Land-Assembler/Investor/Developer,.. 30 years, and now it'll take at least another 5 years for Doris South Extension to materialize

Ideally, City likes large projects like 5800 Yonge or Inez Court,... that has to give up land for Beecroft north extension,...

Here, 3 out of the 4 blocks along westside of Yonge St between Ponytz to Franklin has corporate owned gas stations - that are not in a hurry to redevelop. This is the only block, that's redevelop-able anytime soon,... and even then, it's limited as 16 & 18 Cameron Ave are in the Single Residential House Zones - and could only be used as roadways-driveways to service the back of the Condo,... even most of the parking lot behind 4632-4656 Yonge are technically also in the Single Residential House Zone VS higher density North York Centre Secondary Plan area.

Just to clarify, for the lay person.

What you're saying is that the City made a mistake in not hiring you as their point person on key projects in the area 25 years ago.

You're not wrong.

LOL
 
@Sky High Arch
The earliest record of Beecroft extension extending south of Sheppard,... is this 1974 Conceptual Model shown at North York City Council - used by City of North York Mayor Mel Lastman to introduce the concept of a high-density downtown in North York,... as Yonge Subway Extension north was about to finally open at Sheppard and Finch Station (notice I didn't mention North York Centre station! - which was constructed later and opened in 1987):
- Only Office Buildings along Yonge St
- Apartment Buildings off Yonge towards new Service Ring Roads of Beecroft and Doris
- High-Density Yonge corridor enclosed by Service Ring Roads of Beecroft and Doris - which extends south of Sheppard to meet Yonge at Florence and Avondale! On Beecroft side, Conceptual Model clearly shows Lansing United Church on Poyntz Av as Beecroft road curves around it to preserve the church, next street south is Johnston Av which is deadended just west of new Beecroft extension,... and Beecroft curves towards Yonge at Florence Ave.

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Back then, they actually built models,.... here's another one from mid-1990s as City Planning created the current North York Centre Secondary Plan (ground floor of North York Civic Centre - here Beecroft ends at Poyntz),.... which is being updated now, to allow Triple,.. err, I mean Double Density (yeah,.. that's what I meant) to match what's being allowed at OMB/OLT.

While Beecroft and Doris road extension benefit those that want to drive through,... they don't benefit most who actually live in those neighbourhoods - as such, locals are generally opposed to these Service Roads cutting through their neighbourhoods!

The previous Councillor, John Filion, who was the area's City Councillor for 32 years until he retired (err, for the final time) in 2022,... would actually support his favoured neighbourhoods that didn't want these Service Roads,...
- here, West Lansing Homeowners Association got West Lansing Zoning Study to formally recognize that lot severance down to 25' frontage lots were to be allowed at Committee of Adjustment for the blocks between Yonge to Botham Rd. These lot serverance were happening since 1990s in this area, but now the servance itself becomes easier for approvals. And as I explained earlier, this makes it more expensive and logistically difficult for Developer to acquire large Land-Assembly for Condo/Townhouse redevelopment and for City to extend Beecroft Road southward!
- Yonge Street North Secondary Plan officially does not have a Doris North Extension north of Finch Hydro Corridor / Cummer Ave,... it was discussed; City Planning wanted a Doris north Extension along Dumont Rd but Cllr Filion favoured a Doris North Extension going around his favoured Silverview Community Association area and closer to Yonge to limit redevelopment
- Beecroft Linear Park (southwest corner of Beecroft and Finch), 75% of the park is basically useless since it host a berm!,... Beecroft Rd was being extended through this area, a man-made berm was requested so Single Residential House neighbourhood of Edithvale-Yonge Community Association to the west would minimize noise and sight of vehicular traffic along Beecroft Rd. Notice anything odd about this large tree? Half its trunk is buried by the berm!
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