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2014 Municipal Election: Brampton

denfromoakvillemilton said:
They made the promise and they don't care.
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Who is "they" that made this promise and doesn't care? Certainly not municipal politicians cause it is not their promise to make. During my years here successive people have made it to Queen's Park on the back of this issue and failed to delver. Likely the most hated guy in this town is Dalton McGuinty....he who was happy to be there on the groundbreaking of Brampton Civic and promising that once it opened there would be a very temporary closing of PMH while it was renovated....then that same guy announcing that the closure would be longer...then it was being demolished but work would start right away....then it would be delayed a bit but would be under construction in 2013 and open in 2015....still an empty pit and now not going to be a hospital at all.

denfromoakvillemilton said:
Brampton has sent liberal MPP's to office since the end of the Davis era.
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Except when they didn't .....looking at current MPPs......Linda Jeffrey (LIB) replaced Joe Spina (PC)......Kyle Seeback (PC) replaced Andrew Kania (LIB)...Jagmeet Singh (NDP) replaced Kuldip Kular (LiB).

At current we are the poster child for the current minority government.

denfromoakvillemilton said:
They don't have anything to show for it while Burlington, Vaughan, Rich Hill, Markham, Whitby, Ajax, Milton have been leading the GTA in growth.
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Well it really depends on how you measure growth doesn't it....numbers or percentage....Milton is growing faster on a percentage basis but that is based on a very small denominator.

Between the 2006 and 2011 census......Brampton grew by 90,105....Milton grew by 30,423 (in fact, Brampton's growth during that period was actually more people than the new population of Milton after its growth).......Burlington (11,300), Vaughan (49,500) Makham (39,953) Whitby (10,838) Ajax (18,433) are all municipalities that are growing slower than Brampton in terms of % and amount (and in some cases substantially slower in both areas).

denfromoakvillemilton said:
Your local politicians have to do better, but if there is apathy among the populace? Then there's nothing you can do.
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Aside from you and I likely having a fundamentally different view on how a Provincial government should operate (I don't think a government should ignore issues in a community unless there is a particularly strong advocate government in that place....(IMO....if you are seeing growth, and in fact mandating that growth, you have a moral responsibility to deal with the issues of growth)...I also find it very difficult to believe the notion that in the last 40+ years we have been electing 100% silent idiots ;)

I can assure you there is no apathy amongst the populace....in fact if I worry about anything it is that the strains these infrastructure shortfalls (and the lack of evidence that there is any will to solve them at QP) are causing may actually cause some civil unrest....you can already sense a fair bit of tension amongst the races...something I did not experience growing up here and I don't think it is anything other than people "blaming the newcomers" because all these growth related issues are "caused by the growth of town and arrival of newcomers" (paraphrasing the sentiment not expressing my own opinion).
 
tiffer24 said:
At least two weeks, in the midst of a damaging spending scandal. http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2014/03/26/susan_fennell_takes_leave_from_mayors_job.html
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At 6 o'clock today she issued this statement.....

For Immediate Release
March 26th, 2014

Update: Statement by Mayor Fennell

“Despite inaccurate media reports, I want to clarify that I am not on leave from work. I will be present at the next Council meeting. I will continue with my work responsibilities.”

“Earlier today, I announced that my husband John Fennell had been admitted to hospital to undergo open heart surgery. As a result, I was away from City Hall today.”

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TOareaFan said:
Except when they didn't .....looking at current MPPs......Linda Jeffrey (LIB) replaced Joe Spina (PC)......Kyle Seeback (PC) replaced Andrew Kania (LIB)...Jagmeet Singh (NDP) replaced Kuldip Kular (LiB).
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Seeback/Kania is federal. You're thinking of Vic Dhillon, who replaced none other than Tony Clement. (Brampton went all-Tory provincially during the Harris/Eves era.)
 
adma said:
Seeback/Kania is federal. You're thinking of Vic Dhillon, who replaced none other than Tony Clement. (Brampton went all-Tory provincially during the Harris/Eves era.)
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yep you are right.....got my link wrong....but the point remains the same....Brampton has not "sent liberal MPP's to office since the end of the Davis era."
 
TOareaFan said:
Who is "they" that made this promise and doesn't care? Certainly not municipal politicians cause it is not their promise to make. During my years here successive people have made it to Queen's Park on the back of this issue and failed to delver. Likely the most hated guy in this town is Dalton McGuinty....he who was happy to be there on the groundbreaking of Brampton Civic and promising that once it opened there would be a very temporary closing of PMH while it was renovated....then that same guy announcing that the closure would be longer...then it was being demolished but work would start right away....then it would be delayed a bit but would be under construction in 2013 and open in 2015....still an empty pit and now not going to be a hospital at all.
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When was the last time anyone from Brampton brought up more trains other then that offhand comment by Fennell a long while back? Has anyone recently complained about the hospital situation from city council. They are useless.



Except when they didn't .....looking at current MPPs......Linda Jeffrey (LIB) replaced Joe Spina (PC)......Kyle Seeback (PC) replaced Andrew Kania (LIB)...Jagmeet Singh (NDP) replaced Kuldip Kular (LiB).

At current we are the poster child for the current minority government.
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Half of those were federal though.


Well it really depends on how you measure growth doesn't it....numbers or percentage....Milton is growing faster on a percentage basis but that is based on a very small denominator.

Between the 2006 and 2011 census......Brampton grew by 90,105....Milton grew by 30,423 (in fact, Brampton's growth during that period was actually more people than the new population of Milton after its growth).......Burlington (11,300), Vaughan (49,500) Makham (39,953) Whitby (10,838) Ajax (18,433) are all municipalities that are growing slower than Brampton in terms of % and amount (and in some cases substantially slower in both areas).
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Fair. But all of these areas are at least trying to manage their growth while Brampton is not. The targets are all the same in the GGH. Althought Brampton is not alone here. Simcoe County has not been the most responsive jurisdiction either.


Aside from you and I likely having a fundamentally different view on how a Provincial government should operate (I don't think a government should ignore issues in a community unless there is a particularly strong advocate government in that place....(IMO....if you are seeing growth, and in fact mandating that growth, you have a moral responsibility to deal with the issues of growth)...I also find it very difficult to believe the notion that in the last 40+ years we have been electing 100% silent idiots ;)

I can assure you there is no apathy amongst the populace....in fact if I worry about anything it is that the strains these infrastructure shortfalls (and the lack of evidence that there is any will to solve them at QP) are causing may actually cause some civil unrest....you can already sense a fair bit of tension amongst the races...something I did not experience growing up here and I don't think it is anything other than people "blaming the newcomers" because all these growth related issues are "caused by the growth of town and arrival of newcomers" (paraphrasing the sentiment not expressing my own opinion).
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Well I mean political activism. Sure we have you as a valued member of the forum. But those people are just complaining and this issue is just an excuse for them to say whatever. They would not be complaining if the right type of people were coming. But that's the downside of cheap housing imo. Of course the provincial government should be dealing with this, but sometimes you have to push people. Complaining to the Guardian or the Toronto Star is not enough(not saying you do), it sounds like throwing bread crumbs from the cheap seats.
 
I hope that whoever is elected Mayor of Brampton will be open to this idea:
http://www.thestar.com/bigideas/wor...t_municipalities_in_gta_to_work_together.html

Big Ideas: Get municipalities in GTA to work together
If Toronto, Mississauga and others could stop competing and join forces, the GTA could win on a North American scale, says Carol Wilding.
Carol Wilding of the Toronto Region Board of Trade is among the voices calling for a more united GTA voice when it comes to economic opportunities and development.

By: Marco Chown Oved Staff Reporter, Published on Mon Mar 24 2014
What if Toronto didn’t compete with Markham, Mississauga or Richmond Hill for jobs and instead joined forces with them to challenge other metropolitan regions across North America?
To stop thinking of Toronto as isolated from its neighbours and start working in concert is a natural idea, a mental amalgamation enacted repeatedly over the city’s history as it co-ordinated its economy and development on an ever-bigger scale.
While regional integration has been the focus of many reports and speeches, the GTA remains stuck between the rock of municipal government and the hard place of the province.
More in the Big Ideas series
But with the possibility of new mayors in places such as Toronto and Brampton, a once-in-a-generation renewal of leadership in Mississauga, and a possible provincial election, 2014 could provide the perfect conditions to dust off those reports and put them on the top of the priority pile.
“This is the time,” said Carol Wilding, president of the Toronto Region Board of Trade, which tucked “region” into its name only last year. “It’s a unique opportunity.”
Wilding concedes that the Greater Toronto Marketing Alliance and Invest Toronto already work to attract business to the GTA and promote the region as an economic hub, but she doesn’t think they go far enough.
“There needs to be a big, bold move there to get rid of all these disparate agencies and disparate organizations … and once and for all take the jump and say we want one regional agency,” she said. “(So) we have one voice that we go out with and we have one doorbell when investment comes here. That would be a huge step forward for politicians — whether at a (provincial) level or a municipal level — to come together and do that.”
The Board of Trade put out an economic vision and strategy report Monday that notes Toronto is by far more important to Canada’s economy than New York, the San Francisco Bay Area or Greater Boston are to the U.S. economy.
But lack of innovation has seen the GTA’s productivity drop — the only metropolitan region where that’s occurred since 2000, the report says.
Investment in regional planning — starting with transportation — is key to exploiting Toronto’s potential and playing in the big leagues with U.S. metropolitan regions such as Los Angeles or Atlanta, Wilding said.
“If you look at the data we’ve put out … I don’t know what more people need in front of them to say things are trending in the wrong direction. Yet we have a tremendous asset base here regionally that is enviable of many other U.S. large competitors — the Seattles, the Bostons — so it’s just a golden opportunity staring us in the face,” Wilding said.
“Why aren’t we doing this, when it seems so logical?”
It’s been eight years since Metrolinx, the GTA’s best-known regional body, was created to streamline and co-ordinate transit. While tunnels are being dug along Eglinton Ave, and new bus rapid transit is operating in York Region, overall the agency has failed to impress, said Roger Martin, head of the Martin Prosperity Institute at U of T’s Rotman School of Management.
“It’s in the teething phase. We’re trying something new,” said Martin, who is also the Premier’s Chair in Productivity and Competitiveness. “My hope is that we’ll keep going at it and we won’t eviscerate Metrolinx and say ‘that didn’t work.’ … This is all part of a learning process of how to operate as a coherent and hopefully powerful region.”
For Wilding, transit is both a litmus test and a prerequisite for true integration on the Greater Toronto level. To succeed, we need to do better than we did when debating between an LRT and a subway for Scarborough.
“We are trying to be very big and very bold,” she said. “Because if you can’t get that one right, then how do we expect to get anything else right? That’s a big test for us, and right now, I don’t think we’re at a passing grade.”
Councillor Michael Thompson, chair of the city’s economic development and culture committee, says Toronto has many products and services to offer the world, but a collective approach at the regional level is needed to coordinate efforts and develop jobs.
“Transit is necessary to attract investment and expand opportunity,” he said. “But prior to that we need political alignment.
“The challenge we have is to get all the regional municipalities together to figure out what is the vehicle that will get us to the next level.”




We need the municipalities within the GTHA working together on economic development.
 
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ShonTron said:
Susan Fennell, meet Bev Oda.

The Star has a story on Fennell's expenses above the fold in today's paper - including a $28,000 hotel bill in London, multiple flights for her and her husband to Florida (where she has a condo) and other outrageous uses of taxpayer funds.

http://www.thestar.com/news/city_ha...taff_charged_622000_to_city_credit_cards.html
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Looks like The Star has Fennell in their sights...not only San Grewal on it now but a couple of other staff reporters too...It isn't going to pretty...
 
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