Richmond Hill Yonge Line 1 North Subway Extension | Metrolinx

ciceror said:
I also just remembered - York's school of medicine is going to be built near the hospital - this makes a station at major mac very strategic for being near 3 major things: the hospital, york med school and wonderland. its a no brainer
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I think the line will eventually get extended up there. But not for a while. My guess would be 2060 at the earliest. The current slate of subway projects wont be finished till 2040. The city will take a pause and then start the next phase of expansion projects in 2050, which leads to 2060 at the earliest this line opens up. I think the density in Vaughn by then should justify further subway extension.
 
Will the track realignment (back in 2021) for the YNSE make for noticeably slower trains? Or will the speed differences be negligible?

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Bojaxs said:
Will the track realignment (back in 2021) for the YNSE make for noticeably slower trains? Or will the speed differences be negligible?

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The bigger issue here is two-fold:

1) These clowns at Metrolinx and the Province admitted that they shifted the alignment to reduce the impact to the ~50 homeowvers that the subway will tunnel under, and that they placed the tunnels deeper. Then they give us the BS line of: "maintaining project benefits within approved budget" which is a straight lie and pure garbage. Maybe we should do an FOI to exploit how much money they are pissing away on this part of the project as part of the PC's vote buying exercise.

2) The maintenance costs will be higher as a result of their stupidity to "protect" ~50 homeowners they are pandering to. Generally speaking; the sharper the curve radius, the slower trains will travel and the more frequently rails will have to be replaced due to wear and tear.
 
2323 said:
I think the question was more about the radius of the curve. To me at least, it does not seem different enough to matter significantly.
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I do believe the curve on the right side of the map, is sharper than the one on the left side, and that has not changed.
I don't know if this means much of anything, but the old and new locations for the station currently hold a strip mall (old loc), and a bigger, more modern looking mall (new loc).
 
Taking another look, I see that the land west of Yonge, which held the big curve that has been removed from the plan, is not residential at all. It's a golf course with a big clubhouse and sports arena.
Hmmmm.....
 
afransen said:
Protecting 50 homeowners is madness. Expropriate with huge premiums to market value and land bank for future development.
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Its not even about expropriation or houses in the way, its the homeowners worrying that a train 40m deep will somehow cause rumbling and noise (complete bs), but for some reason MX decided to appease them.
 
ARG1 said:
Its not even about expropriation or houses in the way, its the homeowners worrying that a train 40m deep will somehow cause rumbling and noise (complete bs), but for some reason MX decided to appease them.
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I think we have far overcorrected. In the 60-80s highway projects bulldozed thru neighbourhoods without a care in the world to build at bottom dollar, and learning from that we enacted procedures to add local voices. Now, local voices dictate engineering & planning, and demand changes at 100s of millions of $$ that other taxpayers- naturally not them- must pay for, so they dont risk tiny rumbling.
A tragedy of the commons. The fifty homeowers win, every rider and taxpayer loses.
 
lastcommodore said:
I think we have far overcorrected. In the 60-80s highway projects bulldozed thru neighbourhoods without a care in the world to build at bottom dollar, and learning from that we enacted procedures to add local voices. Now, local voices dictate engineering & planning, and demand changes at 100s of millions of $$ that other taxpayers- naturally not them- must pay for, so they dont risk tiny rumbling.
A tragedy of the commons. The fifty homeowers win, every rider and taxpayer loses.
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It's the real Jane Jacobs effect.
 
T3G said:
Can you clarify what you mean by this?
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Here is the quote I get from google on the Jane Jacobs Effect. "The Jane Jacobs effect refers to the profound influence of urbanist Jane Jacobs on city planning and design, emphasizing community, mixed-use neighborhoods, and the importance of pedestrian-friendly environments."
The reality is that gov't became afraid of bad press from vocal groups and either spend Millions/Billions to appease the vocal few to avoid bad press (which we now seem to be doing), or they just defer and don't do anything (which we did for the 1980's through 2000's).
 
Westey said:
Here is the quote I get from google on the Jane Jacobs Effect. "The Jane Jacobs effect refers to the profound influence of urbanist Jane Jacobs on city planning and design, emphasizing community, mixed-use neighborhoods, and the importance of pedestrian-friendly environments."
The reality is that gov't became afraid of bad press from vocal groups and either spend Millions/Billions to appease the vocal few to avoid bad press (which we now seem to be doing), or they just defer and don't do anything (which we did for the 1980's through 2000's).
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I know what you are referring to, but I don't understand how it relates to the current topic of discussion - no part of this discussion is about anyone emphasizing community, mixed-use neighbourhoods, or pedestrian-friendly environments, so this seems like something of a non sequitur.

The government isn't doing this to avoid bad press, it's because the wealthy are the only group of people with political power, and therefore they are being catered to. It's a function, not a bug. The less wealthy have been complaining for years about loads of stuff no level of government has had any interest in fixing, from the cost of living crisis, to bad suburban design, to the disfunctionality of the TTC - and all to zero effect.
 
T3G said:
The government isn't doing this to avoid bad press, it's because the wealthy are the only group of people with political power, and therefore they are being catered to. It's a function, not a bug. The less wealthy have been complaining for years about loads of stuff no level of government has had any interest in fixing, from the cost of living crisis, to bad suburban design, to the disfunctionality of the TTC - and all to zero effect.
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Definitely those with money have more ability to bog down the system- especially with things like legal challenges and appeals, which cost lots of $$. However, I think this is more the problem of a local's veto. One vote for and one vote against cancelling out isn't how these systems are designed. They are not democracies, they are consensus- and so a local's veto carries the power of a thousand ayes. A thousand transit riders will lose to fifty homeowners because the homeowners are the locals and they have their veto.
 
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