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''What's Toronto's story?''

the notion too many writers weren't born here.

What a moronic notion. Most people who live in Toronto weren't born here either. Is that a problem? Should writing about the city be restricted to pure laine Torontonians? How long must one's ancestors have been here before some hack from the Star deems one acceptable to tell a story set in the city?
 
I think he means more in terms of rural Canadians/Ontarians moving to Toronto and writing as urbanites when they actually have quite limited urban experience here.
 
One thing I do agree with: the notion too many writers weren't born here. That is a huge problem and it is why the novels of, say, Mordecai Richler ring so true versus those who brought their resentments of their small town/exurban upbringing to the city, then overcompensate by out Toronto-ing Torontonians, becoming dull, overbearing caricatures of what they think urbanites should be when native born Torontonians are much like the city itself: profoundly, deeply conservative and largely settled, placid, and content with things. Smith himself says this when he says he was "desperate" for big-city living. You know what? Most people born here, don't bring neuroses like that to their existence. They just...live, in a big city.

The problem with small-town writers who move here and bring that to their work is that it rings false, and sounds contrived to me, and results in a bizarre phenomenon of what I call urban hicks: writers and others so determined to think of themselves as urban, they bring the small-minded, provincial mindset they thought they left behind to the city. This results in them obsessively documenting the tiny sliver of the city they live in and those who live with and like them, and dismiss everyone else as "suburban" even though they probably have more familiarity with the city than they do. The range of ideas and themes can't be anyting but limited, and it just becomes flat-out boring. And then to go from this to say that something produced by these people is somehow representative of "Toronto" is so ridiculous, I don't know how anyone can write about it without it descending into farce. It's Leacockian. But they do try hard, don't they? And they get away with it.

Bravo! I want to cut this out and put it up on my wall. :)
 
I couldn't agree with you more Andreapalladio!!

And I'm somewhat dubious that all Torontonians are, "much like the city itself: profoundly, deeply conservative and largely settled, placid, and content with things." Does this include Zanta??
 
Only a writer, no, typist for a paper whose readership is largely suburban would conjure up the long outdated notion of conservative Toronto. Or perhaps he's just been asleep for the last 30 years or so.
 
Bog got it right, AP and tudor don't seem to get what I'm saying for reasons unknown: it's the notion that writers who hive downtown, having not lived here long, and then have their works hyped to a ridiculous degree with the tag "urban" and "toronto", *that* is what is moronic. And yes, anyone who says Toronto isn't by and large conservative (Toronto beyond the core, and even then it's becoming more so with gentrification), really has no idea what they're talking about. Zero. The vast swaths of homeowners and residents from Leaside, Kingsway, up through Willowdale, Bayview, Downsview, Rouge Hill, Lawrence Park, Oriole, Guildwood, Port Union, Forest Hill, and all points in between, that is the nexus, the core, of the constituency that still buys into the clean streets-support the police-prompt garbage pickup notion of Toronto the staid. They're the Nixon-esque "silent majority" that keeps Toronto the kind of city where by-laws are passed against road hockey, barking dogs and hanging trees over your fence. And I don't mean large-C conservative, I mean the classical Burkean notion of slow, considered, measured change, and temprament, not the self-described bohemian-hipster aesthetic that so many of these urban hicks wrap themselves up in.

To go back to Kids in the Hall, the suburban couple characters that Scott Thompson and Bruce McCullagh played, Fran and Gord, were exactly what I'm talking about. Most scenes took place in the kitchen and if you look out the window, you see apartment towers beyond the trees. They were the prototypical, staid, WASP homeowners in Scarborough, or North York, or North Toronto that still, despite all the demographic changes in the city, are responsible for the shape and tone of the city. But they don't shout about it. They don't write novels or sit on CBC panels or are talked about in NOW except in jest or satire. But *that* is Toronto, like it or not. Any novel that does not take this into account has no business calling itself a truly "Toronto" novel.
 
Quite right, fiendish, the kind of people who will be surrounding me at the Bach Oratorio at Eglinton St. George's United Church on December 8th.

The other types are, I think, the relentlessly "downtown" characters featured in that Globe section last weekend about how to throw a party.
 
I think we should thank the Globe for printing something that will be mocked from now until pretty much the end of time.
 
Finally, something Ryerson's journalism students will be unable to base a parody issue on.
 
"The problem with small-town writers who move here and bring that to their work is that it rings false, and sounds contrived to me, and results in a bizarre phenomenon of what I call urban hicks..."

Actually 4 out of 5 of the Kids in the Hall were not native to Toronto: Scott Thompson grew up in the wasteland of Brampton, Kevin McDonald grew up in the badlands of Mississauga, Mark McKinny and Bruce McCulloch were from the provincial burgs of Ottawa and Edmonton respectively.
 
I was waiting for you to say that. It doesn't take away from my point though, and I don't think you could help but have Toronto influences in the show. What I was getting at is that they nailed the feel of Toronto much more accurately than many self-proclaimed "Toronto" novelists do. I'm not saying it *isn't* possible for artists not born here to *get* Toronto, but it takes more than just knowing the right downtown bars in order to do so. KITH seemed to do better than many writers in that regard. They had skits that, yes, drew upon downtown influences (Church Street, the Rivoli scene, etc), but like I said, that small detail of putting apartment towers in the kitchen window of Fran and Gord tells me that they *got* the suburban/urban periphery feel of much of the rest of the city. I don't know if it was intentional or not, but whenever I see it, I just *know* it's Toronto because I know people in houses just like that. In any case, I don't ever remember the show being hyped as a particularly "Toronto" show.

Again, talent will overcome all, and KITH, I think, still stands as a better representation of Toronto (if we assume that was what they were up to; I gather that once HBO picked up the show in '92-'93, we saw a drop-off in Toronto references anyway, in order so the US audience would *get* them) than many of the books purportedly written about the place.
 
Maybe they could write the novel Fiendish craves so much instead. 400 pages (10 point type) of non-stop suburban ennui. No real plot - just people sitting around watching tv. It would be so "real" people wouldn't notice the parody.

And just for Fiendish, all meeting up at Tim Horton's for a break in the scenery.

j/k
 
Go ahead. I refuse to shop at Mrs. Schwartz's stores, because they are terrible bookstores and she is a major supporter of Steve Harper and his merry band of bigots. Also, I'm not much interested in suburbanites and their drug use. But the first rule of writing is to write what you know, so good luck with that.
 
Finally, something Ryerson's journalism students will be unable to base a parody issue on.

Maybe they could write the novel Fiendish craves so much instead. 400 pages (10 point type) of non-stop suburban ennui. No real plot - just people sitting around watching tv. It would be so "real" people wouldn't notice the parody.
 
AP: How about this, the *only* store I will sign books at is the Indigo at Yorkdale, and I'll save a copy of my potboiler about Etobicoke meth fiends *just* for you.
 

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