Towered
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I think it would be prudent to ask.
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What explains this geographic trend of a high percentage of young adults living with parents in Southern Ontario?
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I think it would be prudent to ask.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
But is our housing supply set up to accommodate this? We haven't exactly built appropriate multi-bedroom housing in recent decades.
Jasmine18
Senior Member
That is why detached suburban houses are still gonna be valuable on the market.
Also a lot of immigrant females save on day care.
lenaitch
Senior Member
Fair point, at least in terms of condos. I think Jasmine's comment about detached homes has merit if cross-generational housing sees an uptick.
SunriseChampion
Senior Member
Damn right. My last one was a bit of a blood sucking deadbeat...never falling for that again.
AlbertC
Superstar
Full nesters: How to make it work when your adult kids move back home because of the pandemic
Nov 20, 2020
Jag Jasani, a 34-year-old Toronto event planner, didn’t think he would ever be moving back into his parent’s Newmarket home. His sister lives there as well.
But when the pandemic hit, there were no events to cover, hence no income coming in. Jasani rented out his Yonge and Sheppard condo, packed his bags, and went to live with his parents. Jasani says his privacy has taken a hit but the benefits of living with his family have been a blessing.
“It’s given me an opportunity to get closer to my parents and my sister. They have been incredibly supportive of a 34-year-old moving back in. As you can imagine, it takes a bit of adjusting and they have been more than accommodating. Very helpful.” Jasani says.
Jasani is one of many adult children who have moved back into their parents’ home during the pandemic. According to a recent Finder survey, 6 per cent of adult children in Ontario have moved back in with their parents with another 1 per cent who are thinking about it. Also, 4 per cent of adult parents said their kids have moved back in with them, putting the province in first place for adults who have moved back home.
toronto.citynews.ca
Nov 20, 2020
Jag Jasani, a 34-year-old Toronto event planner, didn’t think he would ever be moving back into his parent’s Newmarket home. His sister lives there as well.
But when the pandemic hit, there were no events to cover, hence no income coming in. Jasani rented out his Yonge and Sheppard condo, packed his bags, and went to live with his parents. Jasani says his privacy has taken a hit but the benefits of living with his family have been a blessing.
“It’s given me an opportunity to get closer to my parents and my sister. They have been incredibly supportive of a 34-year-old moving back in. As you can imagine, it takes a bit of adjusting and they have been more than accommodating. Very helpful.” Jasani says.
Jasani is one of many adult children who have moved back into their parents’ home during the pandemic. According to a recent Finder survey, 6 per cent of adult children in Ontario have moved back in with their parents with another 1 per cent who are thinking about it. Also, 4 per cent of adult parents said their kids have moved back in with them, putting the province in first place for adults who have moved back home.
Full nesters: How to make it work when your adult kids move back home because of the pandemic - CityNews Toronto
Jag Jasani, a 34-year-old Toronto event planner, didn’t think he would ever be moving back into his parent’s Newmarket home. His sister lives there as well. But when the pandemic hit, there were no events to cover, hence no income coming in. Jasani rented out his Yonge and Sheppard condo, packed...
toronto.citynews.ca
Memph
Active Member
Regarding why it's higher in suburbs/exurbs, even the less immigrant dominated ones like Barrie and Oshawa... probably that's because that's where the parents live and where there's space. Scarborough, Etobicoke, North York... those are more likely to have older homeowners whose kids are in their 30s-40s and past the point of living with their parents, and in many cases the housing is smaller, like the tower-in-the-park communities, or even older bungalows, and therefore less suitable for multi-generational households. I suspect in the more affluent areas of North Toronto and Central North York, Don Valley, etc you'll have a decent amount of 20 somethings living with parents as well.
But mostly it's just the housing available, and location in relation to jobs and amenities that appeal to young adults. If a young adult *can* afford to live on their own, they're going to want to live in/near downtown Toronto, or maybe Hamilton. Not very many will want to live in Oshawa, Barrie or Brampton. So among those whose careers having are centered in the GTA, it's not just the fact that those who live with parents are more likely to live in suburbs/outlying cities, but also that those *do not* live with their parents are less likely to live in those outlying communities and will live in central Toronto instead. It's about both the numerator and denominator.
Perhaps this even affects communities like Windsor a bit, a lot of young people from there would rather move to the big city (Toronto) if they reach the point where they can afford to leave the nest, as they would see Toronto as having better career opportunities, more fun, etc.
I do think you have to consider the whole inner Golden Horseshoe as part of a single market for these purposes, and generally speaking, it's an expensive market.
Vancouver's CMA has 49.5% of dwellings with 3 or more bedrooms compared to 59.7% for the Toronto CMA and even higher percentages in Barrie and Oshawa. So despite both markets being expensive, more of Toronto's housing can accommodate these kinds of larger households. I'd also say Vancouver's ethnic groups skew more towards Western Europeans and East Asians which are less likely to live in multi-generational households than the Eastern and Southern Europeans and South and West Asians (respectively) that are more numerous in Toronto.
But mostly it's just the housing available, and location in relation to jobs and amenities that appeal to young adults. If a young adult *can* afford to live on their own, they're going to want to live in/near downtown Toronto, or maybe Hamilton. Not very many will want to live in Oshawa, Barrie or Brampton. So among those whose careers having are centered in the GTA, it's not just the fact that those who live with parents are more likely to live in suburbs/outlying cities, but also that those *do not* live with their parents are less likely to live in those outlying communities and will live in central Toronto instead. It's about both the numerator and denominator.
Perhaps this even affects communities like Windsor a bit, a lot of young people from there would rather move to the big city (Toronto) if they reach the point where they can afford to leave the nest, as they would see Toronto as having better career opportunities, more fun, etc.
I do think you have to consider the whole inner Golden Horseshoe as part of a single market for these purposes, and generally speaking, it's an expensive market.
Vancouver's CMA has 49.5% of dwellings with 3 or more bedrooms compared to 59.7% for the Toronto CMA and even higher percentages in Barrie and Oshawa. So despite both markets being expensive, more of Toronto's housing can accommodate these kinds of larger households. I'd also say Vancouver's ethnic groups skew more towards Western Europeans and East Asians which are less likely to live in multi-generational households than the Eastern and Southern Europeans and South and West Asians (respectively) that are more numerous in Toronto.
Memph
Active Member
I lived in Thunder Bay for the past few years and coming back from that, Toronto definitely feels like it has four seasons. T-Bay has first frost in mid-late September, lasting snow cover in late October/early November. The snow only finishes melting in mid-late April in the city, with patches remaining well into May in the forests surrounding the city (even early June at the top of the Sleeping Giant). In May, the grass is still brown with little life - the insects, birds, flowers, budding leaves... all that only begins in June and last frost is typically mid-late June.
July and August is nice, very pleasant, but I'd hesitate somewhat to call it summer, since it rarely truly feels hot. My house had no air conditioning and I wouldn't have ever turned it on even if it did since nights are cool even on the warmest days (10C or so). So no steamy summer nights cooling off in the evening breeze with beers on the patio; you'll probably want some long sleeves and a campfire. The leaves are already starting to take on some colour in late August and are on the ground by the end of September.
So now that I'm back in Toronto, it definitely feels like a more conventional four seasons climate. But at least Thunder Bay is quite sunny in February to July, moreso than in Toronto.
The way I'd describe the seasons in Thunder Bay, using European/American standards
November-December: cloudy winter
January-February: really cold winter
March-April: sunny winter
May: winter/spring shoulder season
June-mid July: spring/bug season
July 15-30: summer, kinda
August-September: fall
October: fall/winter shoulder season
lenaitch
Senior Member
I'm not really sure there is such a thing as 'typical' way a season presents itself; it's more driven by local factors. TBay, like everyplace else, is impacted by local terrestrial factors and regional weather patterns. I lived northwest of TBay, far away from Lake Superior. I found both autumn and spring, both of which are transitional season (I suppose what season isn't) to be short in comparison to what southern Ontario sees. Autumn was usually mild with bursts of cool, then you woke up on morning with snow on the ground and that was it. Winters were gloriously clear and sunny - but damned cold.. I've been trout fishing in the spring, from shore, in a t-shirt in glorious warm sun, and ice still on the lake. I also lived east of TBay but on the Lake. A snow flurry in late August was not unusual but did not necessarily presage an early winter; we could have warm days/cool nights 'typical' autumn days well into early October. Summers were cooler but winters not as cold (tons of snow though) because of the moderating impact of the Lake.
When it's 25-30* in summer, a 10* drop as a system rolls through seems simply a cool day. When it's 10/15* and it drops 10, it seems much more significant. The slow slide between seasons that typifies much of southern Ontario is not universally common.
I lived in Northern Ontario for a lot of years. Spring and fall last about a day each. It's much different in Southern Ontario.
christiesplits
Senior Member
I always felt bad for friends who grew up in small towns but had to move to the big city for work right after university. I was fortunate that I could live with my parents in the city for a few years after university until I landed on my feet and had a decent job and could move out on my own.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
God, I would feel such great shame to return to my parents‘ house in my 40s. I’d have to be really destitute or broken mentally or physically beforehand. If it were my own 30-40 y/o kids, I’d help pay their rent before bringing them back. Those will be my 60s, when pants and cialis are optional and loud jazz and wine mandatory. I don’t need adult kids cramping my style.
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Ha! My kid moved back in for a month because of a job transfer and ended up staying much longer. To be fair, he was on the road most of the time so wasn't actually there, but when he was it definitely cramped my style. 
Admiral Beez
Superstar
So, how'd it work out with the woman?Damn youth living with their parents.
There's this girl I rather fancy and we get along rather well but I'm hesitant because she's 30 and lives with her parents still and is a server. The lack of ambition is off-putting. Servers are fine people but I mean like...is that it?
On the flip side.....I'd never have to go visit as she'd always be here.
SunriseChampion
Senior Member
It didn't. Haven't seen her since July. After August, I cut down my number of contacts to basically 2 non-work mates...like a decent citizen. It's been only 1 of them since October.
Happy new year, Admiral.