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Western Waterfront Master Plan

Woodbridge_Heights said:
Right now the Lakeshore (or specifically Lakeshore blvd) is split by roughly 300 feet of grass/median/parking/whatever. Realigning it means bringing the Eastbound lanes up north a little bit so that it runs right beside the Westbound lanes and allows that park/greenspace to become part of the lakefront.
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And make the freaking place less confusing to drive on.

thanks for the clearification.

And yeah, in this case, I'm as excited as anyone else for this.
 
Pulling this very dormant thread back into the world more than 12 years later...........to avoid making a new one!

From City Planning's 2022 work program:

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Note to MODS; why is this thread buried in politics? Other similar threads are in either 'buildings' or T&I.
 
A report to next week's Infrastructure and Environment Ctte follows up on the above with a proposed update/refresh of the plan next year......

An excellent use of funds considering the failure to deliver the majority of the last version of the plan over 13 years......


Perhaps we can once again come to agree on all those things we should do, but won't.
 
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Northern Light said:
This is the bit that would interest you most:

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IF you want more insight into what's being looked at..........the best I can do is point you here:

metroscapes.ca

Toronto Shoreline

An analysis of Toronto’s shoreline, breaking down it’s length, ownership and public access.
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No, @Metroscapes is not working this file directly, so far as I know, LOL

But yes, his work did percolate...... and might inform what happens next.
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I find this very interesting. It seems there's the "Western Waterfront Master Plan" only stretching to the Humber, and then this kind of broadens the definition of the "Western Waterfront". Given that TRCA is likely the main player on the eastern waterfront from a natural hazard perspective (Lake Ontario erosion hazard), it's good to see something to inch forward here.

Some things to note here.

"Extending public waterfront and trail access between Royal York Road and First Street."
  • The City's map shows 1-25 Lake Shore Drive actually have lakefront access secured in public hands, as part of Prince of Wales Park. But I can tell you it is not accessible; a fence separates the Second Street ROW and 25 Lake Shore.
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  • There are additional parcels south of the Nautical Lane condos and 2677-2711 Lake Shore Blvd W. I'd be interested who owns the rights there.
  • That leaves 4 parcels that appear to own rights over the water. I'm curious how you overcome that.
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Windows on the Lake

I don't know what this is other than enhancing the roadway rights-of-way (five of them at Miles Rd, Lake Cr, 4th, 11th and 12th; six if you count Sand Beach Rd). I say don't bother spending the money unless you're going to stich them together.

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Anyway, you can check out more at https://metroscapes.ca/toronto/projects/shoreline/etobicoke/
 
@rdaner this is a fine thread for this, though, strictly speaking, this is not part of the Master Plan works.

This is actually erosion-hazard management and repair of storm damage from the last big storm that flooded the Western Beaches.

The armourstone is there as shoreline hardening and protection for path above.
 
Northern Light said:
@rdaner this is a fine thread for this, though, strictly speaking, this is not part of the Master Plan works.

This is actually erosion-hazard management and repair of storm damage from the last big storm that flooded the Western Beaches.

The armourstone is there as shoreline hardening and protection for path above.
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So how's that Master Plan from 2007 coming along? 🤣
 
One of the pix is of the breakwater. When I saw it I was reminded of an installation of Michael Snow’s digital ‘Walking Woman’ in Prague, similar to the one in front of the Rogers Building on Bloor East. The 3m high screen was set on a small rocky outcropping in the river and looks super sharp! I have looked for an image online but no luck.
 
Northern Light said:
Currently out with a consultant being 'refreshed' after virtually none of the original was delivered.

The consultant enrichment industry at work.
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Do you have any insight into how that works? I'm assuming the 2007 plan was thoroughly thought out (as a result of consulting!) and possibly costed out for budget consideration. For what reasons were the plans not implemented, and why were these plans simply wasted when the funding to initiate and develop them had been spent? And why, after 15 long years, are long dormant plans being "refreshed"? What purpose does this serve other than to update the estimated costs of implementation, costs that, had they been spent in an appropriately swift time frame originally, would not have ballooned to whatever they are now? Who at city hall has the authority to approve fresh spending on such an exercise? I would love to know all this...
 
Towered said:
Do you have any insight into how that works? I'm assuming the 2007 plan was thoroughly thought out (as a result of consulting!) and possibly costed out for budget consideration. For what reasons were the plans not implemented, and why were these plans simply wasted when the funding to initiate and develop them had been spent? And why, after 15 long years, are long dormant plans being "refreshed"? What purpose does this serve other than to update the estimated costs of implementation, costs that, had they been spent in an appropriately swift time frame originally, would not have ballooned to whatever they are now? Who at city hall has the authority to approve fresh spending on such an exercise? I would love to know all this...
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Before he was mayor..........what ward was David Miller the City Councillor for.............?

When did he leave office?

There, your answer.
 
This, from Gord Perks, may fit here??

Friends,

I was thrilled to join the Community Advisory Committee meeting for the Western Beaches Public Realm Plan yesterday evening, as part of Phase 2 of Community Engagement.

The Western Beaches comprises a four kilometer stretch of waterfront, parks and trails, and communities between the mouth of the Humber River and the eastern edge of Marilyn Bell Park. This Public Realm Plan will provide a renewed vision for the Western Beaches, including recommendations and priorities for improvements, that reflects the changing conditions, current priorities and community needs.

The Committee reviewed and shared feedback on emerging recommendations for the future of our Western Beaches at last night’s meeting. It was heartening to hear just how much the Western Beaches meant to the community members present, not just as a recreational area, but also as a place within a larger living system, connected to the lake, river, and surrounding watershed where people, nature, and place are deeply intertwined.

As part of the next step of this process the City is looking for public input on the proposed big moves. I encourage you to register for the virtual public meeting on November 27, 2025, from 6 to 8 p.m., and take the online survey to provide feedback on the draft recommendations. The survey closes on December 8, 2025.

With your involvement we can develop a plan that reflects our shared values and advances sustainability, visitor experience, and connections and access to water at our Western Beaches.

Sincerely,



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From the above survey:

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* Clearly the concept of TL:DR is lost on those managing public consultation here some here balk at my longer posts which might run a 2-3M read.....yikes.

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* I skipped a few sections, so this post will not be comprehensive.

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* IF I'm understanding this question correctly, it could be phrased "Do you support us doing nothing we aren't already doing to make the water cleaner and more swimmable but spending finite budget dollars on
pattering ourselves on the back for stuff we've already done, or we promised to do, one day, maybe. "

Hmmmm

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Better....but low value relative to result.

Also proposed are measures to improve the stormwater ponds in Higher Park and real-time CSO (Combined Sewer overflow) data (on thee latter, I'm not sure I get the value of telling people how much poop is in the water in the middle of a Thunderstorm........ why?

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On the subject of the Breakwaters there are only 2 questions......I'll paraphrase "Do you want to repair them?" (duh!) and "Do you want us to consider putting some nature like grasses on top of the breakwaters?" I'm ok w/this idea, but I need to know the cost implications and life span impacts on in the infra.

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Number 1 seems like low value for money to me; number 2 seems like a more worthwhile investment. Also proposed is some sort of ceremonial access with a First Nations bent.

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There are 3 more panels for this section............. Safety at teh Humber Bridget Arch, Wayfinding, and Bridge landings (sunnyside).

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I will continue in the next post, below.
 
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