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Vista's features look....familiar.

Apple does NOT NOT NOT make the hardware....
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Cool down Afrenson. Apple does not fabricate the parts, but they choose and assemble a system that suits their ideal. Just as DELL does the same. The advantage is in the fact that Apple MAKES THE HARDWARE and the software.

Before you get all worked up again, ask yourself this: Does DELL make their computers? Again, they don't build the parts, but they make the computer as a whole. So does Apple.

All this to illustrate my point that creating the computer experience from beginning to end gives Apple computers a big advantage over Windows based PCs in terms of stability, performance and the good old "It Just Works".
 
Macs aren't necessarily static after Apple ships them. It is possible to upgrade video cards, etc. There is no 'mac' video card...

What you are saying is patently false. I won't let it slide. Mac doesn't have control over the design of the hardware, only control over what hardware their OS will support by way of drivers. The situation is more or less identical to that of windows.

Imagine buying a Mac Pro, and then going out and deciding to upgrade the video card to a GeForce 8800 GTX. Too bad, because IT JUST DOESN'T WORK, unlike with a windows PC. It's up to Mac to support the card, and they have no plans to do so.

This isn't to say windows doesn't have its problems, but to present Macs as a trouble-free alternative is absurd, disingenuous and false.
 
Imagine buying a Mac Pro, and then going out and deciding to upgrade the video card to a GeForce 8800 GTX. Too bad, because IT JUST DOESN'T WORK, unlike with a windows PC. It's up to Mac to support the card, and they have no plans to do so.

This isn't to say windows doesn't have its problems, but to present Macs as a trouble-free alternative is absurd, disingenuous and false.
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Exactly.
 
For anyone buying a laptop or PC these days beware. Not only are most of these computers delivered with Vista, they are delivered with the 32-bit version. You won't even be getting the full power out of your new 64-bit computer without paying more for a retail copy of Vista 64-bit. Vista was meant to bring 64-bit mainstream and the pre-installs on most of the computers is 32-bit. If during an OS upgrade isn't the right time to switch consumers over when is it? I bought a new dv9210ca which came with Vista Home Premium 32-bit installed to my surprise since the Vista 64-bit hype out there and the fact it was a Turion 64 X2. I will be returning it because combined with the 32-bit Vista this model isn't on the Linux supported list at h71028.www7.hp.com/enterp...0-121.html .

The only processors currently sold without 64-bit are the Core Duos, and Celerons. The Core 2 Duos, all AMD processors, and virtually all the Pentiums sold in new PCs and laptops are 64-bit now. Why isn't Vista 64-bit being installed?
 
The only processors currently sold without 64-bit are the Core Duos, and Celerons. The Core 2 Duos, all AMD processors, and virtually all the Pentiums sold in new PCs and laptops are 64-bit now. Why isn't Vista 64-bit being installed?
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So they can make more money on you when you upgrade to the 64-bit version.

Apparently the 64-bit version of XP is being discontinued so everyone will get Vista.

On another note, does anyone know where I can get (besides ebay) an ADC-VGA cable which would allow a Mac monitor to be used on a PC? Thanks.
 
To go with the new OS, Microsoft will need to alter their slogan. It will now be: Microsoft. Where do you want to go today? Are you sure?

The new security features are beyond annoying. Everything from opening something in Control Panel to renaming a menu icon causes the security dialog to pop up and question if you really want to do what you asked the computer to do. The new Windows Messenger is equally paranoid. I wanted to send someone a link and for whatever reason MSN blocked them from that message with no notification it was doing it. Text messages immediately preceeding and after the link was send were received fine. If this is Wow then what would just OK look like?
 
The new security features are beyond annoying. Everything from opening something in Control Panel to renaming a menu icon causes the security dialog to pop up and question if you really want to do what you asked the computer to do. The new Windows Messenger is equally paranoid. I wanted to send someone a link and for whatever reason MSN blocked them from that message with no notification it was doing it. Text messages immediately preceeding and after the link was send were received fine. If this is Wow then what would just OK look like?
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Are you sure those can't be turned off? People I know who have Vista just turned certain features off and everything was fine for them.
 
^ Sure, everything can be turned off. However, if you turn them off, you're vulnerable to security issues.
 
That Mac ad is so perfect for all the new users which might be using Vista right now wondering WTF is up with this Vista.
 
^ Sure, everything can be turned off. However, if you turn them off, you're vulnerable to security issues.
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I meant the warnings, not the actual security functions. Most software has a lot security prompts by default (such as IE, etc.) but you can simply choose not to receive the warnings anymore.
 
That's the first commerical in a while that had me laughing out loud.
 
I meant the warnings, not the actual security functions. Most software has a lot security prompts by default (such as IE, etc.) but you can simply choose not to receive the warnings anymore.
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Unfortunately these messages aren't like the IE ones. It is a feature, I think its called User Account Control, that is either on or off unless the user does a lot of research to figure out how to modify the settings which are all hidden in the background somewhere.
 
The warnings ARE the security feature.
It puts the onus on you to accept communications from outside parties and to allow your information to be shared with them.

OSX, Linux and Unix (all part of the same family) goes about it in a different way. Only system critical, administrator level activities require a prompt in which the admin. needs to input a password.
This only happens when installing an admin. level application or changing the computer's configuration.

I'm still not impressed with Vista. If this is Microsoft's best attempt at maintaining their hegemony, they're doomed.

I see the future as being OS independent. Since many consumer applications are moving to the internet (they're not installed on your computer) and communicate with the OS via a browser (which uses standards to allow any OS to use it), which OS you're using is becoming irrelevant.

I see a near future where people choose their OS based on its feature set, its security, ease of use and overall experience.... not because they're forced to so they can use a specific application.
The OS market is going to fragment between Windows, Linux and OSX (and possibly GoogleOS which apparently exists). Windows will be the big loser of the bunch if they don't start to innovate.
 
I don't know about that. Browser based applications can do relatively simple tasks well, but there are certain tasks they will never be suited for. GMail is a case in point...
 
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