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Article from Trains posted today.

VIA Rail Canada’s public meeting discusses challenges, offers explanations: Analysis​

By Bob Johnston | August 9, 2024

Long-distance fleet replacement is a priority, but remains unfunded


Passenger train crossing river bridge

The Canadian crosses the North Thompson River west of Kamloops BC on June 29, 2024. VIA Rail Canada says replacement of its long-distance car fleet is a priority, but as of yet there is no funding. Russ Grycan

MONTREAL — VIA Rail Canada recaps the company’s forward-looking initiatives and financial performance for calendar 2023 in a 30-minute audio recording of its annual public meeting released on Wednesday, Aug. 7. The session is moderated by Jamie Orchard, VIA’s senior advisor of corporate communication, and features board of directors chair Francoise Bertrand, CEO Mario Peloquin, and Chief Financial Officer Carl Delisle.

They discuss the rollout of a new reservation system — Bertrand says, “From day one it went very well” — and the new Venture fleet, which Peloquin confirms will be complete by the summer of 2025. He references host-railroad challenges when noting, “The promise I’ve made is that we’ll safely get you there, eventually,” admitting, “we’re not always on time but we offer the best services regardless of some delays on our trains.” The company only owns 3% of its route miles; dispatching delays have been inflicted not only by Canadian National, but more recently by Toronto commuter rail operator Metrolinx.

Delisle says VIA carried 4.1 million passengers in 2023 compared with 5 million in the pre-pandemic year of 2019. Revenue of C$432 million ($314 in U.S. dollars) was 29% higher than 2022, while expenses topped C$944 million ($687 million U.S.), up 14.7% from 2022, according to the company’s annual report.

A new fleet?​

Peloquin says the average age of the non-Venture fleet is 77 years. “In 2023,” he says, “we presented the federal government with a document explaining the imperative of replacing that fleet now.”
So far, the Trudeau government has not advanced any definitive plan for financing a procurement, although a request for carbuilder qualifications is apparently in the planning stage. There are no budget line items for fleet acquisition in the April 2024 document.

It proposes C$462.4 million (about $336 million U.S.) over five years to sustain VIA operations, but says, “funding amounts [to replace the aging fleet] are not being released to protect the government’s position for an upcoming procurement.” Meanwhile, the entirely separate High Frequency Rail company is budgeted for $371.8 million ($270 million U.S.) over six years, even though it will not operate any trains while it seeks a private construction partner [see “Air Canada involvement in High Frequency …,” News Wire, Aug. 8, 2024].

Complicating any funding commitments is that a new Canadian general election must take place on or before Oct. 25, 2025, meaning there could be a wholesale shift from Trudeau government priorities.
VIA corridor assenger train with heritage HEP cars

A westbound VIA corridor train with Budd HEP-1 and HEP-2 equipment approaches Oshawa, Ontario, on Sept. 13, 2022. VIA says the cars are to be repurposed once the Venture fleet delivery is complete. Bob Johnston

Regarding service expansion, Peloquin says, “Eventually, we’ll be able to release some of the older cars operating in the corridor, which may enable us to offer more services in regions where there is a need.” Not mentioned was a Request for Proposals the company recently issued seeking bids for “structural repairs” to 41 HEP-1 cars. A Montreal site visit was to take place on July 25, 2024. VIA declined to respond to several News Wire inquiries asking for details about the nature of the work and what equipment is involved.

Gaspe service among other topics addressed​

High curving bridge on rail line as seen from locomotive cab

The view from the locomotive leading VIA’s westbound Chaleurfrom Gaspe, Quebec., on July 25, 2011. The bridge is one that still needs to be rebuilt by the Quebec government after a number of the bridges were condemned and passenger service ended in December 2011. Bob Johnston

Peloquin says VIA is prepared to restart service on Quebec’s Gaspe Peninsula only when the entire line is rebuilt to a state of good repair all the way to Gaspe, “if we can offer a reasonable trip time. Operating a shortened service [to New Carlisle, Que., where tracks are intact] creates logistical problems because we can’t turn the train.”

A more detailed response on that issue, and answers to other questions submitted in advance, are available in a separate four-page online document. Concerns about bicycle carriage, baggage policy, delays to the Montreal-Halifax Ocean on CN’s Newcastle Subdivision, and on-time performance are among the topics addressed.

Although VIA had previously indicated the company’s three full-length, single-level Panorama domes would be ready for the summer 2024 season, just one car was repaired and is only available for “ad hoc demands.” Those cars were built for BC Rail’s short-lived Whistler Northwind service. Before the COVID-19 pandemic, a single car had been assigned to the triweekly Jasper-Prince George-Prince Rupert train in “Touring Class” service; two cars handled the Edmonton, Alberta-Vancouver, British Columbia, portion of the Canadian.

“Due to the significant financial and resources investment [for repairs],” the company says, “we do not plan on renovating on the short or medium term the remaining Panorama cars in order to, amongst others, prioritize the update of other cars that are crucial to the operation of the long-distance and regional routes.”
Passengers look at waterfall from seats in dome car

Passengers enjoy Canadian Rockies scenery through curved glass windows of a Panorama dome on the eastbound Canadian on Aug. 8, 2015. Two of the three cars remain out of service. Bob Johnston
 
Article from Trains posted today.
It proposes C$462.4 million (about $336 million U.S.) over five years to sustain VIA operations, but says, “funding amounts [to replace the aging fleet] are not being released to protect the government’s position for an upcoming procurement.”
Interesting. I think my opinion that the new fleet will not be funded the CPC supermajority gains some credibility here. If they don't have the money in their hand now, there's no way it will stick around. A funding commitment of this amount will certainly be seen as a boondoggle.
 
Interesting. I think my opinion that the new fleet will not be funded the CPC supermajority gains some credibility here. If they don't have the money in their hand now, there's no way it will stick around. A funding commitment of this amount will certainly be seen as a boondoggle.
My understanding is that it was absolutely the same with the Corridor fleet: the funding only gets appropriated (or disclosed) once the bids are received, as was also explicitly mentioned in Budget 2024:
On page 256, under the heading “Investing in Passenger Rail Across Canada”, there is this item:

“Budget 2024 proposes to provide:



-New funding for VIA Rail to replace its aging fleet on routes outside the Quebec City-Windsor corridor. Funding amounts are not being released to protect the government’s negotiating position for an upcoming procurement.”



From VIA’s perspective, that should be the green light to launch the formal procurement process.
 
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My understanding is that it was absolutely the same with the Corridor fleet: the funding only gets appropriated (or disclosed) once the bids are received, as was also explicitly mentioned in Budget 2024:


Not quite. To even send out an RFP, Cabinet has to approve your procurement strategy and allocate funds in the budget. Sure the funds are released as necessary with the contract. But they must be allocated before accepting bids.
 
Not quite. To even send out an RFP, Cabinet has to approve your procurement strategy and allocate funds in the budget. Sure the funds are released as necessary with the contract. But they must be allocated before accepting bids.
Point is that the procurement strategy does not signficantly diverge from other federal procurements, if I‘m not mistaken…
 
If this CN shut down happens will it affect VIA services?
Someone posted this on Reddit.

"Since VIA uses mostly CN tracks in the corridor, and CN dispatchers have reached an agreement, they should still be able to dispatch VIA trains. CPKC management should be able to handle the couple of km of critical interchange track in Smiths Falls, especially as there will be virtually no freight trains there anyways."
 
Someone posted this on Reddit.

"Since VIA uses mostly CN tracks in the corridor, and CN dispatchers have reached an agreement, they should still be able to dispatch VIA trains. CPKC management should be able to handle the couple of km of critical interchange track in Smiths Falls, especially as there will be virtually no freight trains there anyways."

Does this mean a nearly perfect on time service? If so, it may be a good test of what an HFR line will do for Via.
 
Does this mean a nearly perfect on time service? If so, it may be a good test of what an HFR line will do for Via.
Yea, if there's a strike there should be no service interruptions and no excuses to be late short of u foreseen circumstances. Good litmus test on what the actual speeds of the trains can be
 

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