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wait what? since when?

I feel like this is one of those things rail advocates keep telling themselves so often that they’re sure it’s true... but there’s zero evidence to suggest it

Like I’m sure improving inter-city rail probably isn’t the highest thing on most people’s priority list, but polls have consistently shown high support for it.

Anecdotally, I’ve heard nothing but enthusiastic support for better rail from people who usually don’t give two shits about transportation issues.

the rest of your comment is great and I didn’t mean to dunk on u, I just see this take a lot, and I feel like it’s a big misread of public opinion.

We must live in different social circles. I tell people im taking the train from Toronto to Montreal and they kinda laugh a bit and are like "ok, is everything OK financially? You don't need any help or anything right? We can front you some money for a flight if you really need it."

Taking the train is for poor people for many of the people I interact with on the daily.
 
We must live in different social circles. I tell people im taking the train from Toronto to Montreal and they kinda laugh a bit and are like "ok, is everything OK financially? You don't need any help or anything right? We can front you some money for a flight if you really need it."

Taking the train is for poor people for many of the people I interact with on the daily.

because VIA is pretty f*cking bad right now... your friends’ reactions are to a large extent appropriate. Ask those same friends how they’d feel about HFR. That’s my point.

Unless you have a really odd group of friends, I’m guessing they wouldn’t bat an eye if you took GO to go somewhere in the GTHA. Because, as imperfect as it is, that service is good enough for many, many people to get from point A to point B. And it has a damn good reputation to show for it.

Canadians don’t view train travel as bad. They view bad train travel as bad, as they rightly should. But that doesn’t mean they don’t want it to get better.
 
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We must live in different social circles. I tell people im taking the train from Toronto to Montreal and they kinda laugh a bit and are like "ok, is everything OK financially? You don't need any help or anything right? We can front you some money for a flight if you really need it."

Taking the train is for poor people for many of the people I interact with on the daily.
That is really not true in 'my circles'. Trains (Toronto to Montreal or Ottawa and maybe Windsor) are taken by people who have cars but don;t want to drive and want more comfort and less ''fuss" than flying.. Most people I know are not keen on airports (or planes) unless distance is too great - e,g. Winnipeg.
 
Unless Canada’s population drastically increases, we’ll never truly see rail usage per capita reach those of European countries.

While I agree we likely won't see European levels of rail usage, this is similar to the "Canada is big and therefore we can't expect rail to play a major role in transportation" argument. With most of the country's population concentrated in a few relatively dense (and rapidly growing) areas, there is a lot of opportunity for growth in inter-city rail mode share, with expected population growth in the next 10 - 20 years alone. There are 20 - 23 million people combined in the Quebec City - Windsor Corridor, BC's Lower Mainland, and the Calgary Edmonton corridor, which is well over half of Canada's population. Rail won't be competitive between these regions, but it certainly can be within them (and there are a lot more trips within regions that between them). HFR is a great way to start to demonstrate this. As cities run into their urban growth boundaries and continue to densify, the case for rail only grows.
 
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Are you serious? Are you that limited in your understanding of passenger rail that you have the audacity of making such a blanket statement?

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Your sadly misguided words ...

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So much for a fresh exchange of opinions and ideas with an open and informed mind!
Take a chill pill, you are preaching to the converted and to people who have been commenting in this thread for more years than you have spent days in this forum and therefore are very aware that none of the accusations you are firing at this fellow commenter is in any way justified! Honestly, if you had just read what he actually wrote rather than directly jumping to conclusions, you would realize how inappropriate your remarks were. I would strongly suggest that you find a more measured tone before you continue your participation in this forum...
 
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I've travelled to five continents, been on a least twelve cruises, visited Canada from coast-to-coast, most of the U.S., been to Mexico at least 3 times, Central America, South America, Northern Africa, most of Europe, including Russia and several more countries than I care to mention, and you dare to suggest that I'm poor because I prefer taking a modern train!

Are you serious? Are you that limited in your understanding of passenger rail that you have the audacity of making such a blanket statement?

You want proof as to how wonderful and effective regular intercity passenger rail can be when properly funded and constructed! I ask that you click on the following YouTube website and you'll see just how fast 180 kph (111 mph) actually is; it is virtually identical to Via Rail's HFR maximum speeds of 177 kph (110 mph); and I'll just continue to sit back in my comfortable seat on the train while having a drink and a meal, enjoying WiFi, the scenery and going way faster than driving while you remain increasingly stuck in gridlocked traffic, as I've observed for almost 20 years while residing in the GTA:


You obviously haven't travelled by train throughout Germany, for instance, where over 2 billion passengers take the train annually because it's way faster than driving, significantly roomier, more comfortable and comparable in travel time to, and leaps and bounds more environmentally-friendly than flying!

Haven't you also heard of the Shinkansen bullet train in Japan, to name just a few of the high-speed rail systems in use throughout the world?

It is we, in North America, that are completely out of step with the obvious limitations of our own transportation system!

If we had any clue as to how easy it is to get around in Europe, for instance, we wouldn't shake our heads in disbelief while we're frequently stuck in traffic for hours on a daily basis.

It's called focusing on a better 'quality of life' rather than the misguided notion that people who choose to take a train do so because they simply cannot afford to buy a car. That's absurd and an obvious example of how ill informed we are in this country!

In your travels, I ask that you just sit inside Frankfurt's main railway station in Germany, for instance, where an average of 450,000 travellers go through this facility on a daily basis; take the time to observe the type of travellers who actually use trains and you'll be shocked to learn that well-dressed businessmen and women, including the wealthy, and a well-rounded segment of society, take the train in order to get around quickly, effectively and efficiently!

Your sadly misguided words just prove the points that I've been making for years, thereby reinforcing the need to educate Canadians as to how backwards we have become on modern, intercity passenger rail and of the crucial need to deviate from the status quo on transportation, that of embracing auto and air travel whatever the cost to our environment, in order to also meet our carbon emissions targets ASAP!

Just ask a typical resident living in Northern Europe and you'll quickly get a sense as to how precariously fragile that particular area has become due to the magnified, destructive effects of climate change.

Europeans are taking climate change seriously, as opposed to climate change denial that is so prevalent on this side of the continent through our lack of action on the reduction of carbon emissions!

Europe's outstanding passenger rail systems allow communities to easily connect and interact with each another, creating a level of mobility that can only be dreamt of in this country.

It's also the reason why their small towns and cities remain prosperous in comparison to this country since young people aren't migrating to large cities in droves in order to find gainful employment and opportunity.

Unfortunately, even our own politicians fail to grasp the significance and importance of having a modernized passenger rail system in place in order to provide an additional, effective, and environmentally-friendly travel choice to Canadians.

I found that out after writing several detailed emails to some of our Federal Ministers requesting clarification as to the cause of incessant delays in approving the HFR project; I still haven't been able to obtain a firm timeline for the go-ahead of this vital project, which was proposed five years ago!

Choosing to travel by modernized passenger rail has absolutely nothing to do with a person's wealth, as evidenced in the vast majority of advanced countries throughout the world!

In fact, Europeans purchase a huge amount of new vehicles every year, so they certainly cannot possibly be branded as being poor, just because they choose to travel by train considerably more so than Americans or Canadians.

The EU's annual car sales figures are actually quite similar to those of the North American market as per the following website:


So much for a fresh exchange of opinions and ideas with an open and informed mind! I'll leave it at that for now!

Hey man, I appreciate all the text, but you misunderstood my post. My social circle says this to ME, that the train (at least in North America) is for poor people. I dont share these beliefs. I take the train everywhere I go, including Canada, Europe and the USA.
 
Take a chill pill, you are preaching to the converted and to people who have been commenting in this thread for more years than you have spent days in this forum and therefore are very aware that none of the accusations you are firing at this fellow commenter is in any way justified! Honestly, if you had just read what he actually wrote rather than directly jumping to conclusions, you would realize how inappropriate your remarks were. I would strongly suggest that you clean up your post and find a more measured tone before one of the moderators reads your post...

Thanks for having my back! I was like, hey...I take the VIA to Montreal almost every time I visit....what did I do wrong?
 
wait what? since when?

I feel like this is one of those things rail advocates keep telling themselves so often that they’re sure it’s true... but there’s zero evidence to suggest it

Like I’m sure improving inter-city rail probably isn’t the highest thing on most people’s priority list, but polls have consistently shown high support for it.

Anecdotally, I’ve heard nothing but enthusiastic support for better rail from people who usually don’t give two shits about transportation issues.

the rest of your comment is great and I didn’t mean to dunk on u, I just see this take a lot, and I feel like it’s a big misread of public opinion.
I understand your point of view but I'd simply like to point out that modernized passenger rail is hardly ever discussed by the majority of Canadians that I meet, since the subject of Via Rail's HFR doesn't appear to be known by very many people whenever I try to get a different perspective on the potential of HFR.
 
Thanks for having my back! I was like, hey...I take the VIA to Montreal almost every time I visit....what did I do wrong?
I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize to you Rob for my comments since I just started using this forum today and I'm unfortunately not quite familiar with this system's form and function! Please forgive me!

The way the response appeared in a separate box and in the same font with the last line, 'The train is just for poor people for many of the people that I interact with on the daily,' just left me with an implied impression that these were also your thoughts, not just those of your social circle, since you didn't add words such as: 'contrary to my own views, or as opposed to my own views!

Let me explain further. Since people in their own social circle usually have a similar general opinion on a given topic, it's not unusual for someone to make the same mistake that I just did!

I just found these comments from your social group then to be a somewhat out of the ordinary because train travel is rather expensive especially if tickets are purchased at the last minute and thus, not usually in the realm of poor people in comparison to bus travel, that's all!

Again, I did not wish to begin my posts in such a manner!

I firmly believe in free expression without the use of insults as it is simply not part of the impression that I wish to leave people with during my interactions and exchanges of opinion.

I look forward to you and your group's informative and positive comments on the future of passenger rail in this country!

That's why I wanted to be part of this group in the first place, in light of the fact that I've been directing my efforts towards the advocacy of passenger rail for several years now through the numerous articles and lengthy comments that I've written on various passenger rail websites.

I'd like to see Via Rail's HFR project become reality just like the rest of the passenger rail proponents in this forum.

All the very best to you!
 
Add the words “non-HSR intercity” into “passenger rail” and the statement becomes painfully accurate. Just let the fact that there are 7.2 Canadians for every trip made by VIA in a given year (5,007,753 passengers in 2019 spread across a population of 35.8 million in Canada) sink for a moment and you will realize how obscurely small that niche which VIA serves still is...

PS: For the US, that figure is even worse: 10.3 Americans for every trip made by Amtrak (32,017,686 passengers in FY 2019 spread across a population of 329.2 million)...
That's what I meant by using the words 'passenger rail' since we've never actually had a truly high-speed type of passenger rail service in this country, with the possible exception of the Turbo train, which proved to be fairly unreliable in its beginnings but eventually reached quite impressive reliability levels over time.

The LRC train which came later, although capable of 125 mph, was unfortunately limited to 100 mph due to having to operate on shared tracks owned by freight companies.

Most of the passenger trains operating in this country have been limited to a top speed of either160 kph (100 mph), 153 kph (95 mph), or 145 kph (90 mph), depending on the locomotive used, thereby classifying them as 'conventional.' (Based on Via Rail's Website Statistics)

Just like so many passenger rail proponents, I sure look forward to the roll-out of the first completed, highly-anticipated Siemens Charger train set in 2022!

I can only imagine having these new train sets operating on the proposed HFR route in the hopefully not too distant future!
 
I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize to you Rob for my comments since I just started using this forum today and I'm unfortunately not quite familiar with this system's form and function! Please forgive me!

The way the response appeared in a separate box and in the same font with the last line, 'The train is just for poor people for many of the people that I interact with on the daily,' just left me with an implied impression that these were also your thoughts, not just those of your social circle, since you didn't add words such as: 'contrary to my own views, or as opposed to my own views!

Let me explain further. Since people in their own social circle usually have a similar general opinion on a given topic, it's not unusual for someone to make the same mistake that I just did!

I just found these comments from your social group then to be a somewhat out of the ordinary because train travel is rather expensive especially if tickets are purchased at the last minute and thus, not usually in the realm of poor people in comparison to bus travel, that's all!

Again, I did not wish to begin my posts in such a manner!

I firmly believe in free expression without the use of insults as it is simply not part of the impression that I wish to leave people with during my interactions and exchanges of opinion.

I look forward to you and your group's informative and positive comments on the future of passenger rail in this country!

That's why I wanted to be part of this group in the first place, in light of the fact that I've been directing my efforts towards the advocacy of passenger rail for several years now through the numerous articles and lengthy comments that I've written on various passenger rail websites.

I'd like to see Via Rail's HFR project become reality just like the rest of the passenger rail proponents in this forum.

All the very best to you!
No problem, I didnt mean to insinuate that everyone in my social circle shares these beliefs, but its something I bump into more than I'd like to admit. Mostly my work friends, acquaintances and extended family. My close friends are not so closed minded...usually haha.
 
I'd like to take this opportunity to apologize to you Rob for my comments since I just started using this forum today and I'm unfortunately not quite familiar with this system's form and function! Please forgive me!

The way the response appeared in a separate box and in the same font with the last line, 'The train is just for poor people for many of the people that I interact with on the daily,' just left me with an implied impression that these were also your thoughts, not just those of your social circle, since you didn't add words such as: 'contrary to my own views, or as opposed to my own views!

Let me explain further. Since people in their own social circle usually have a similar general opinion on a given topic, it's not unusual for someone to make the same mistake that I just did!

I just found these comments from your social group then to be a somewhat out of the ordinary because train travel is rather expensive especially if tickets are purchased at the last minute and thus, not usually in the realm of poor people in comparison to bus travel, that's all!

Again, I did not wish to begin my posts in such a manner!

I firmly believe in free expression without the use of insults as it is simply not part of the impression that I wish to leave people with during my interactions and exchanges of opinion.

I look forward to you and your group's informative and positive comments on the future of passenger rail in this country!

That's why I wanted to be part of this group in the first place, in light of the fact that I've been directing my efforts towards the advocacy of passenger rail for several years now through the numerous articles and lengthy comments that I've written on various passenger rail websites.

I'd like to see Via Rail's HFR project become reality just like the rest of the passenger rail proponents in this forum.

All the very best to you!

I've been following VIA Rail thread since 2016, and can vouch that almost every single person on this thread is supportive of passenger rail expansion and investments here in Canada. I think that is the underlying assumption - otherwise why would we be spending valuable time on here. The central theme on this thread has always been - how do we get there, not IF we need more high quality passenger rail.

Once again, like others have suggested, I recommend you to take some time to preview the 600+ pages worth of content on VIA Rail over the years. And also, let's take it down a notch...

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Hey man, I appreciate all the text, but you misunderstood my post. My social circle says this to ME, that the train (at least in North America) is for poor people. I dont share these beliefs. I take the train everywhere I go, including Canada, Europe and the USA.
Who are these people? I would think that the majority of people feel the opposite. In the GTA for example, trains are predominantly riden by middle and upper class people.
 

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