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TTC: Yonge North Subway Extension (Finch-Richmond Hill) (Unfunded/Planned)

Reecemartin

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VIVA was supposed to have aspirations to move from BRT to LRT if and when the need served. Given that I support the idea that RHC would be the terminus for the Yonge side of Line 1 for a significant amount of time. If and only if VIVA blue has gone to LRT and is still over crowded only then would I consider extending the subway past hwy 7.
Viva as an LRT/BRT in 20-30 years is a very cool prospect. Who knows, some parts of Highway 7 are quite dense, maybe with YSE even sooner.
 

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Viva wont be upgraded to LRT in our lifetimes. With 15-20 min service today on Orange and Purple, there is little ridership to justify it. It's more likely we get an LRT on Steeles than we upgrade the Highway 7 BRT.
 

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Viva wont be upgraded to LRT in our lifetimes. With 15-20 min service today on Orange and Purple, there is little ridership to justify it. It's more likely we get an LRT on Steeles than we upgrade the Highway 7 BRT.
Agreed, I've used Purple a lot and it's mostly empty. There just doesn't seem to be that much need for people to use Viva to get across York Region when most people would rather sit in their own car. Highway 7 is just too car-friendly to get people off cars and into busses.

Though, if there is ever a Viva line that could be turned into LRT, it's Blue. That's packed.
 

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Hard to say how the subway will change travel patterns. Obviously on paper Viva LRT is WAY ahead of a Steeles LRT. If there's actually a subway at Highway 7 in the next 10 years, I suspect ridership on those lines will increase steadily. It also depends what the modal split ends up being as Markham Centre, VMC and RHC/Langstaff develop (I'll even toss Promenade into the mix, since new condo residents would have very easy access to the Yonge subway). Going north on Yonge, to Majjor Mac, seems like it will be very busy as well, given the intensification underway even today.

I get Viva has been around a few years now and it's certainly fair to criticize aspects of how YRT is managing it BUT as I said years ago, when it opened, its present ridership is of only limited relevance. It's not purely a transit initiative. Its purpose is to facilitate and stimulate intensification (and thereby create its own ridership) over the long-term. It's still too early in the experiment to say how that's going or what it might look like in 10 or 20 years. Highway 7 will always be a wide ROW but it's still far less "car-friendly" than it was 10 years ago. The speed limits have dropped, traffic is worse, there are more lights and fewer places to turn with the bus lanes etc.

Ironically, if you'd told me in 1985 that the subway won't go north of Finch for another 30 years, I'd have thought that was pretty crazy so it's a bit of a mug's game trying to guess what transit in this region will look in even 5 years, much less 20 or 30.
 
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Agreed, I've used Purple a lot and it's mostly empty. There just doesn't seem to be that much need for people to use Viva to get across York Region when most people would rather sit in their own car. Highway 7 is just too car-friendly to get people off cars and into busses.

Though, if there is ever a Viva line that could be turned into LRT, it's Blue. That's packed.
People who are familiar with the area avoid Highway 7 like the plague. 14th, 16th ave. and even Denison are better options.
Reasons behind the lower usage:
- build form.
- low frequency on connecting bus routes.
- viva stations, aside from the main terminals, aren't hubs - you hear people getting dropped off at subway/GO stations, but not so much at the side of a road.
 

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From the Metrolinx Activities Update - Fall 2019 (at Vaughan Committee of the Whole):

The approval of Bill 107 enables the Province of Ontario to prescribe, through regulation, the design, development and construction of a rapid transit expansion project as the sole responsibility of Metrolinx.
Bill 107 leads to the making of Ontario Regulation 248/19 under the Metrolinx Act, 2006, also known as “Interim Measures - Upload of Rapid Transit Projects”. Ontario Regulation 248/19 came into effect on July 23, 2019, which prescribes the Yonge Subway Extension (YSE) project as the sole responsibility of Metrolinx. The change in legislation also leads to the review of the governance for the YSE project.

Metrolinx and Infrastructure Ontario (IO) retained a team of advisors (referred to as the Review Panel) in July 2019 to perform an independent review of plans for the YSE and the Scarborough Subway Extension projects. The Review Panel is expected to report back to Metrolinx and IO with its draft recommendations report in Fall 2019.

With the Review Panel initiatives currently underway, Executive Committee direction has been given to pause some design work plans for YSE, however, the following activities are proceeding as planned:
- Interim design submissions for the stations, tunnels and systems contracts have been reviewed and Regional/Municipal comments have been consolidated and provided to the project partners
- Elevating design work of Richmond Hill Centre Station to a 15% level is progressing
- The analysis of the benefits of a potential mega-bore option is moving forward;
- Metrolinx’ work on the YSE business case is underway
- A procurement options analysis is near completion; and
- Geotechnical and topography surveying continue and are expected to be completed in October 2019
 

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Viva wont be upgraded to LRT in our lifetimes. With 15-20 min service today on Orange and Purple, there is little ridership to justify it. It's more likely we get an LRT on Steeles than we upgrade the Highway 7 BRT.
I tend to agree with thelater comment
 

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Not that it's a decisive factor but I'm kind of fascinated by the notion that the Ontario Line and Yonge Extension are among the most important matters to the federal Conservative Party.
(Also interesting, that the Eglinton West LRT and Line 2 extension aren't...)
 

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Not that it's a decisive factor but I'm kind of fascinated by the notion that the Ontario Line and Yonge Extension are among the most important matters to the federal Conservative Party.
(Also interesting, that the Eglinton West LRT and Line 2 extension aren't...)
Because Line 2 already received federal funding, and nobody takes EW seriously (a big whatever, and airports don't vote).

AoD
 

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