jmi22
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Are you kidding me wtf
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TTC: Streetcar Network
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W. K. Lis
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No surprise. Public transit remains a low priority for the city. Left over from 13 years of Ford/Tory stewardship.
jmi22
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Three years to rebuild track and sewage tunnels is criminal
Amare
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It's going to be fun watching how (even more screwed up) 501 service will be along the entire stretch of the route. That and all the streetcars that are going to be backed on up Queen and Roncesvalles since the TTC cant route manage a single damn thing.
I'd say, expect at least 5-6 streetcars backed up on Queen on a regular basis since Sunnyside Loop cant handle more than 2 streetcars.
This whole KQQR reconstruction has been an unmitigated disaster.
I'd say, expect at least 5-6 streetcars backed up on Queen on a regular basis since Sunnyside Loop cant handle more than 2 streetcars.
This whole KQQR reconstruction has been an unmitigated disaster.
jmi22
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the ttc could maybe get away without advocating mass expansion of transit malls in the core if they knew how to operate effectively in mixed traffic, but they literally fail to maintain headways 365 days of the year. I know its unlikely but I hope Chow sends a good chunk of management into an early retirement
W. K. Lis
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How many people are leaving those mostly nice countries to immigrate here? Seems like a step down if anything
Toronto's Transportation Services refuses to implement REAL proper transit priority at intersections. Transportation Services refuses to put up traffic signals for streetcars and buses at the subway station, so they could enter the roadway. The politicians refuse to fund the TTC properly to replace the ancient track switches with proper switches, so they don't have to stop at each and every track switch.
T3G
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As I understand it, there is nothing wrong with the current switch system. It is the TTC's own safety convention paranoia that requires stop/check/go.
Be serious. If someone generously donated millions of dollars for the TTC to replace their tram switches with switches used on high speed rail networks, the TTC would still, more likely than not, mandate stop/check/go. A safety rule, once instituted, is very, very hard to get rid of.
Be serious. If someone generously donated millions of dollars for the TTC to replace their tram switches with switches used on high speed rail networks, the TTC would still, more likely than not, mandate stop/check/go. A safety rule, once instituted, is very, very hard to get rid of.
W. K. Lis
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With buses replacing the streetcars along 512 ST. CLAIR and buses along 189 STOCKYARDS, seems to be a good year to "test" out running the buses from ST. CLAIR STATION out to Jane Street, Dundas Street West, Scarlett Road, and St. Clair Avenue West. A year-long test of service along the entire stretch, before extending streetcar service west of Gunns Road.
After a year, return back to "regular" service, with the 512 ST. CLAIR and 189 STOCKYARDS. They will have to because of the Scarlett Road / CP Rail Bridge replacement (see LINK), which is taking forever to even start. Then they can install the streetcar tracks at the same time they do the bridge replacement at Scarlett Road and the St. Clair Avenue West widening at the railway bridge between Keele Street & Old Weston Road.
After a year, return back to "regular" service, with the 512 ST. CLAIR and 189 STOCKYARDS. They will have to because of the Scarlett Road / CP Rail Bridge replacement (see LINK), which is taking forever to even start. Then they can install the streetcar tracks at the same time they do the bridge replacement at Scarlett Road and the St. Clair Avenue West widening at the railway bridge between Keele Street & Old Weston Road.
drum118
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The 512 extension hit the DOA zone in 2010 when the Commission wanted a few years of testing on the new ROW before looking at the extension and it hasn't surface since then.
With TTC not looking at have 512 going under the Scarlett Underpass or west of it now, the best you may see is to Jane or Scarlett loop about 2050, if then.
Don't know if the City has purchased all the lands along St Clair yet to widen it for the 512 extension, but they have purchased some of it and was supposed to buying other property as it came up for sale.
Bottom line, there is very little density for the extension now even though a number of developments have been built as well on the books. Still will have a fair number of riders wanting to get to the subway than use 512.
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What is involved in updating it? Is it a mechanical problem that would require excavation at all switches or a software problem that might be less disruptive. Is any of tis in the Capital Budget in the foreseeable future?
IRT_BMT_IND
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It's the electronics themselves that are old, the system was built in the 80s by ITT/Lorenz and is obsolete. The TTC has budgeted for a replacement for years but this keeps getting deferred. More modern systems have a lot of advantages, like being able to differentiate between different directions (so drivers don't have to align the car under the correct loop antenna at intersections with two facing point switches), or automatically throw switches without driver intervention. Depending on the exact system many use vital relays (not sure if this is true in the current system) and can be configured to treat intersections like a kind of mini-interlocking, which would substantially reduce the risk of switch incidents, especially a switch opening under a car. The switches on the street running sections of the Waterloo LRT are all set up like this, and they have signals that AFAIK indicate switch position and whether the switch is locked, but not track occupancy.
All the mainline junctions on the Finch West and Eglinton lines are set up as actual signaled interlockings so there should be no reason for the TTC to implemented stop and check rules on those lines outside of bureaucratic inertia (or paranoia).
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W. K. Lis
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2010 was when anti-streetcar Mayor Rob Ford got into power, along with his brother Councillor Doug Ford. Expansion of streetcars were not in their cards. Mayor John Tory was more interested in saving money than about improving public transit in general.
Too early with Mayor Olivia Chow, but she does seem more pro-public transit than the previous two. We still have anti-transit councillors who may try to put a stop to that as well.
sche
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So we will now have 3 replacement bus routes for a single streetcar route…
Sigh.
What even is the point of running 501 streetcars anymore when only 2km of Queen between Dufferin and Bathurst isn’t served by replacement buses. At this point, it would be so much better just to replace the whole damn route with a single 501 replacement bus and stop fooling around with these ridiculous constantly changing service patterns.
jmi22
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This might be beyond the scope of this forum, but does anyone know why there is essentially no history of the downtown councilors/progressives trying to improve streetcar service? It is the single most common way downtown residents get around and yet they have seen essentially no improvement. Even prior to the mass infill downtown and the subsequent traffic, I imagine exclusive row still would have significantly improved headways prior to the 2000's. The one thing I ever found in detail about downtown councilors and better streetcar service was Jack Layton's fight against the Spadina streetcar row.