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TTC: Scarborough Subway Extension (formerly LRT replacement) (City of Toronto, Design Phase)

Voltz

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It's easy to forget the Eglinton East LRT was supposed to be included with the 1-stop extension, until the budget ballooned and it had to be scrapped. Now there's no talk of it at all.

A refurbished RT and Eglinton East extension would've been far more beneficial for Scarborough than just the SSE.
I don't remember that the EELRT was ever actually scrapped, or Council ever voting to do something else with the funding, Of course Tory would not have let pesky details like that stop the Subway.
 

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At the very worst my opinion is subjective. All the data shows that the SSE is a colossal waste of money and isn't even supported by the majority of Scarborough residents.
Your opinion that SSE isn't supported by Scarborough residents, is very subjective indeed. There is no evidence that the majority supports any other solution.
 

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Your opinion that SSE isn't supported by Scarborough residents, is very subjective indeed. There is no evidence that the majority supports any other solution.
"Even in Scarborough, the majority of decided respondents — 56 per cent — backed the LRT, compared to 44 per cent who wanted a subway."


 

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"Even in Scarborough, the majority of decided respondents — 56 per cent — backed the LRT, compared to 44 per cent who wanted a subway."


Careful. Only people with 'mental issues' use The Star. Use the Toronto Sun instead please. ;)
 

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"Even in Scarborough, the majority of decided respondents — 56 per cent — backed the LRT, compared to 44 per cent who wanted a subway."

On one side:
- A single poll, with a small number of respondents.
- The poll question rigged in favor of LRT ("do you prefer the subway or the LRT that will <list of advantages of LRT>", not mentioning any of the advantages of the subway).
- And even then, a meager victory for LRT, 56:44 % .

On the other side:
- Every election in Scarborough ends with a pro-subway candidate winning.
- Not just the right-wing candidates support the subway. Libs and NDPers elected in Scarborough, support the subway as well.
- Opponents of SSE don't even try to field a candidate in Scarborough, knowing such a candidate will lose.

And yet, the SSE deniers are pretending that the residents are not in favor of the subway.
 

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I don't remember that the EELRT was ever actually scrapped, or Council ever voting to do something else with the funding, Of course Tory would not have let pesky details like that stop the Subway.
That's true. The problem is that the funding ran out.

Originally the 'final plan' was to build a 1 stop extension to STC, along with the Eglinton LRT with the total $3.56 billion budget available. Unfortunately the cost of the 1 stop solution grew to nearly $4 billion, with internal city reports outlining a cost that could balloon up to $5 billion. That left no money for the Eglinton LRT.

Council later approved the project, but had no way to fund it.

Once the province took over, the SSE was expanded to 3 stops and the Eglinton LRT fell off the map. I guess it isn't 'technically' canceled, but it's hard to see it being funded and built anytime soon. The SSE is currently estimated to cost $5.5 billion - $6 billion. Given how consistently Ford-backed project costs are drastically underestimated, I'd say the final cost is going to be closer to $7 billion or even $8 billion. I'm not sure there's going to be much appetite to spend billions more in Scarborough after that.
 

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In Scarborough, close to half choose the LRT (45%), while fewer than 4-in-10 opt for the planned subway (39%). In the city as a whole, as many as 3-in-10 have no opinion (30%), while half this many are undecided in Scarborough (16%).

Read more at: http://staging-poll.forumresearch.com/post/2542/lrt-preferred-to-subway-in-scarborough/
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SSE deniers are grasping at the straws, unable to explain their consistent inability to field any candidate in Scarborough elections at any level.
 

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In Scarborough, close to half choose the LRT (45%), while fewer than 4-in-10 opt for the planned subway (39%). In the city as a whole, as many as 3-in-10 have no opinion (30%), while half this many are undecided in Scarborough (16%).

Read more at: http://staging-poll.forumresearch.com/post/2542/lrt-preferred-to-subway-in-scarborough/
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The Globe & Mail: What Toronto’s big transit plans are forgetting: The riders


"The final proposal on the table is for a downtown relief line. As well as Mr. Ford, Ms. Chow supports this. She would use the roughly $1.5-billion saved by reverting to the Scarborough LRT proposal and would likely fund the balance through a further tax increase.

In summary, Ms. Chow's plans seem mostly grounded in fiscal realities, Mr. Tory's and Mr. Ford's proposals may be what Toronto's Chief Planner had in mind when she talked about "back of a napkin" planning.
 

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SSE deniers are grasping at the straws, unable to explain their consistent inability to field any candidate in Scarborough elections at any level.
That's easy. People will vote for unrealistic financial plans if they think other people might pay for it and they will benefit from it. Thats much different than what they think is an actual realistic plan.
 
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