TTC: Other Items (catch all)

[Totti]

When Fare Inspectors have been present at the station, 90% of the time, they all stand inside, looking at the fare gates, where unpaid entry is rare.

I remember I was at a subway station with 10 fare inspector guarding the fare gate and then they check my Presto Card to see if I paid right after I tapped my Presto Card at the fare gate, then I wait for the bus and I see a group of teenagers evading the fare near the bus entrance as they saw the fare inspector at the main entrance so they find other ways to evade it without getting caught.

 

[zang]

I remember I was at a subway station with 10 fare inspector guarding the fare gate and then they check my Presto Card to see if I paid right after I tapped my Presto Card at the fare gate, then I wait for the bus and I see a group of teenagers evading the fare near the bus entrance as they saw the fare inspector at the main entrance so they find other ways to evade it without getting caught.

I don’t think teens are the main fare evaders. Park yourself by the door on any streetcar these days during peak times and it seems like 30-40% of people don’t tap on at all.

 

[Richard White]

I don’t think teens are the main fare evaders. Park yourself by the door on any streetcar these days during peak times and it seems like 30-40% of people don’t tap on at all.

They don't.

I've seen people hop on and not pay a fare. They did have fare enforcement on the 504 earlier this year which helped.

It would be nice if they had fare enforcement in the fare paid areas just inside the bus platforms. They would make a fortune from people who "forgot to load their card" or "only have a dollar"

 

[Totti]

Question: Why do Fare Inspector (rebranded as Provincial Offence Officer) conduct fare inspections in Downtown Toronto most of the time and not in other areas?

 

[Totti]

I don’t think teens are the main fare evaders. Park yourself by the door on any streetcar these days during peak times and it seems like 30-40% of people don’t tap on at all.

Yes. I'm aware of that. I've seen all ages fare evade on the streetcar network and I witnessed it before a lot. However, my original reply was based on my observations of how I saw a group of teenagers used alterative ways evade the fare (finding a unguarded area) in response of the fare inspectors patrolling the main entrance. The Fare Inspector don't do a good job on fare enforcement and need to spread them out instead of putting them all at the same spot.

 

[Mihairokov]

Question: Why do Fare Inspector (rebranded as Provincial Offence Officer) conduct fare inspections in Downtown Toronto most of the time and not in other areas?

Why are POO officers camped out at King, a station which presumably has far more people paying for fare as a proportion of riders than most other stations?

If they wanted to catch fare evaders on the subway they'd be better off at Warden or Kipling or Sheppard West.

 

[zang]

Why are POO officers camped out at King, a station which presumably has far more people paying for fare as a proportion of riders than most other stations?

Volume of offenders?

King’s a much, much busier station at all times of day.

 

[Northern Light]

Volume of offenders?

King’s a much, much busier station at all times of day.

Right, but there are no bus roadways by which to illegally enter, nor do streetcars (which have the highest evasion rate) stop within the fare paid area of the station.

I find it difficult to believe the evasion rate is high at a station where you must pass through the fare gates to enter.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

I remember mandatory Lord's Prayer, bible readings, and the whip in Ontario (public) elementary school - and even I'm not old enough to have seen photo ID!

I'm not really sure the point - seems trivial and unnecessary. Looking at some of my sons female Grade 7 classmates, some look 16 or older in my eyes. It's not that easy to tell.

I remember getting my driver's license that did NOT have a photo on it. It was also paper, not plastic.

Early passport photos were much less restrictive than today and could be any photo, even a family photo. They were glued into the passport and could include couples or multiple people. Same for US passports...

 

[DSCToronto]

I remember getting my driver's license that did NOT have a photo on it. It was also paper, not plastic.

Early passport photos were much less restrictive than today and could be any photo, even a family photo. They were glued into the passport and could include couples or multiple people. Same for US passports...
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Walter: Though you sometimes had useful posts under your former Nom de Plume I finally 'ignored' you as the ratio of tiresome posts became too high. When you changed names I unblocked you in the hopes you would make enough useful contributions to merit reading them again. Too bad this optimism has faded, farewell!

 

[PurplePinky]

I remember getting my driver's license that did NOT have a photo on it. It was also paper, not plastic.

Early passport photos were much less restrictive than today and could be any photo, even a family photo. They were glued into the passport and could include couples or multiple people. Same for US passports...
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Children under a certain age used to be on their Mothers passport.

Perhaps that is why family photos (without Dad) were required.

Now, infants & children require their own passports.

 

[dowlingm]

Children under a certain age used to be on their Mothers passport.

Perhaps that is why family photos (without Dad) were required.

Now, infants & children require their own passports.

Reminds me of going through YYZ and being asked “where’s Mom?” when travelling with my kid. I had all the paperwork so was expecting the question (and the answer in any case was “in Arrivals”) but just not quite framed in those terms. I told the agent that of the four times we had gone through an airport on that trip (YYZ, SNN, SNN, YYZ) he was the first to ask.

The ID my son’s middle school issued has no DOB.

 

[nfitz]

I remember getting my driver's license that did NOT have a photo on it. It was also paper, not plastic.

Yes - it made getting into bars at age 16 easier when no one had any photo id. Heck, I used to use my SIN card if I was desperate!

Other than passport, etc., I think one of my very first photo IDs was my TTC Metropass photo card. But no dates (as I was an adult ... well student, but I don't think there was any discounts in the 1980s).

 

[zang]

Right, but there are no bus roadways by which to illegally enter, nor do streetcars (which have the highest evasion rate) stop within the fare paid area of the station.

I find it difficult to believe the evasion rate is high at a station where you must pass through the fare gates to enter.

Are we talking about inside the gates or at the streetcar waiting area? I’ve only seen them at the latter. But it is a high traffic stop, even for those not transferring to the subway.

 

[Northern Light]

Are we talking about inside the gates or at the streetcar waiting area? I’ve only seen them at the latter. But it is a high traffic stop, even for those not transferring to the subway.

I was suggesting inside the gates.

I don't know why you wait outside a streetcar, that is not within paid zone of control; because said passengers aren't contained, what are you doing to do if they keep walking and refuse to acknowledge you, tackle them?

They wouldn't and you can't just pen them on the road or the sidewalk.

For streetcars, enforcement needs to be when exiting within a TTC control zone (fare paid area, TTC property), or when the vehicle is in motion. The person being confronted has no easy way to avoid the officers in those scenarios.