nfitz
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If they were smart, the money they pay to Halton for this would cover at least a temporary storage facility. (or a big tent 
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Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
Edit: As in what's a layover stop, or why there? I think the comments in the reddit itself answer what a layover stop is
As to why, you can only speculate on why the TTC would think this is a good place to park a bus, other than the fact that it's not going to impede traffic there
At least in Ottawa, they just take a spare bus stop sign to use for a layover stop and slap a "layup" sticker in place of the bus routes, which probably accounts at to why it has an accessible logo, but the sign is usually meant for bus drivers, not passengers
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picard102
Senior Member
If it's so mismanaged then I would think this is the best case scenario to preserve these.
nfitz
Superstar
What the comments don't address is why here (westbound Blue Jays Way at Spadina). There's no regular bus routes anywhere nearby. And the 510 replacement buses are looping at Dan Leckie, which is surely more useful.
Who boards here (which is what the wheelchair symbol implies) and which route is it?
I've brought the image forward.
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pattyrick
New Member
Prior to the bus lane being added on Spadina, afternoon peak 510 buses were turning back via Front and Blue Jays Way instead of running to Queens Quay.
nfitz
Superstar
True - though that was for only a few weeks, sometime last year. I wonder when they put the pole up.
northyorker1
New Member
I entered Queen station from the street entrance, the one by 2 Queen W. I was greeted by a group of about about 5 drugged individuals laying on the entrance, practically blocking the stairs. Trash and odor everywhere. It was appalling, and I thought I've seen it all. Is this what you're calling "mostly peaceful and safe"? Reminds me of the BLM riots ("mostly peaceful"). Heck, it's all butterflies and rainbows in the lefties' eyes. Sick and tired of this bs.
T3G
Senior Member
Does anyone know what time they take the historic cars away? Being at Hillcrest to photo what is in all likelihood the last CLRV to ever leave Toronto would be big.
Northern Light
Superstar
Please tell us all now, about you responsibly went down to the collector, informed them of the issue, and requested that special constables be summoned. (my fulsome applause if you did; if you didn't, then your indifference is part of the problem)
Did the people involved threaten you, or attack you? If not, then they did not make your trip unsafe. That's not to suggest that its fine they were there. But you must distinguish between acceptable/unacceptable, desirable/undesirable and dangerous/safe.
These are not the same spectra.
Kyle Campbell
Senior Member
That's hardly a Toronto only problem, and is happening across the continent in both left and right leaning jurisdictions
T3G
Senior Member
Are those "lefties" in whose eyes it's all butterflies and rainbows in the room with us right now?
Because I don't know about you, but everywhere I go I see leftists (private citizens) lamenting the general state of our society, the high cost of living, the deplorable state of our mental health care, and generally saying that the situation with the homeless is not good. Please show me a leftist that says it is good and desirable for people to be squatting in the entrances of subway stations.
You won't be able, to, of course, because no one thinks that. It's very easy to attack points that no one has made and feel like an upstanding citizen for it; a lot harder to actually engage with your ideological opponents and come away with a meaningful understanding of what it is they believe.
evandyk
Senior Member
The crowd you're talking to here is a group of people who use the TTC every day, including with kids. We are aware of the challenges the system faces, while also being aware that it is very safe - much safer than driving a car. I would love it if my kid never had to see a homeless person using drugs in the TTC, but I would also love it if he didn't have to see homeless people using drugs in parks, doorways or ATM vestibules. Unfortunately, that's not the Toronto we have today.
Coolibop
Active Member
Steve Munroe put out a piece on the recent board meeting.
One section speaks to how the TTC is implementing a policy for CEO misconduct. I found this section odd, as I would have though these types of things would apply to any position regardless of role within the agency. From the new policy:
While this seems reactionary given allegations during Rick Leary's tenure, I'm not sure I understand how discrimination, harassment, hate activity, misconduct, poisoned work environment, and reprisal (all definitions provided in said policy) would be dealt with much differently. I would hope anyone in any position, management or otherwise, would be treated similarly.
Edit: Im guessing we've never had a CEO with said allegations before that needed referral to the board... I still find it hard to believe this large, long-standing organization, did not have any way for the CEO to be held to account by the board or other...
One section speaks to how the TTC is implementing a policy for CEO misconduct. I found this section odd, as I would have though these types of things would apply to any position regardless of role within the agency. From the new policy:
While this seems reactionary given allegations during Rick Leary's tenure, I'm not sure I understand how discrimination, harassment, hate activity, misconduct, poisoned work environment, and reprisal (all definitions provided in said policy) would be dealt with much differently. I would hope anyone in any position, management or otherwise, would be treated similarly.
Edit: Im guessing we've never had a CEO with said allegations before that needed referral to the board... I still find it hard to believe this large, long-standing organization, did not have any way for the CEO to be held to account by the board or other...
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picard102
Senior Member
To be fair, the TTC has breed the indifference.
In 2019 at Dundas station, someone was collapsed on the stairs. Myself, my partner, and another women went to the collectors booth to request 911 be called to provide assistance. The collector with no sense of urgency started to ask a series of questions. When it was clear that she was just going to keep asking questions, I got fed up and went out of the station to call 911 ourselves. The 911 operator asked if there was an AED accessible so I sent my partner to ask, the collector refused to tell her where it was located or provide one. She just roller her eyes and turned around.
When reporting this to the TTC they did a "full investigation" and found that their staff did nothing wrong, and that their measure of this was that the person didn't die.
Last week TTC staff and two other individuals whose yellow vests covered their jackets, ushered someone having a mental health incident onto our train as it entered Dundas Station at 1am.
The TTC staff member waved bye to them patronizingly, and when she saw us looking at her in disgust, she shrugged her shoulder. The person's behaviour was so aggressive that most people got off at the next stop and waited for another train. Still waiting on the report for this, but I'll not be shocked that they "followed procedures" in putting customers at risk.
Where did these riots happen in Toronto? Or is this another example of the right imagining things to play victim?
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turbanplanner
Senior Member
There is an unwritten social contract, don’t bother me and I won’t bother you. When people start acting strange or are on mind altering drugs that contract goes out the window, and I won’t blame someone for feeling uneasy.
So people won’t put words in my mouth, I have no issues with the people sleeping rough and keeping to themsleves
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The city was boarded up if you walked along Yonge and some other major streets