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Of course, considering the TTC's long standing indifference to the heritage fleet, I wonder if anyone will come calling to pick them up when the modernization is done ...
 
smallspy said:
This is correct. The plan is that Halton County will hold the cars for 5 years.

Dan
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Dan,

Any idea if they will be restoring the cars or just leaving them in storage?

From what I understand, HCRY has more rolling stock than manpower. I could have swore I heard somewhere that they are being selective when it comes to restoration due to manpower availability.
 
drum118 said:
The end of the line has come for TTC Heritage Streetcar Fleet and sad to not see them on the road or the yards anymore. Has to do with lack of space.

TTC Historic Fleet Moves to Streetcar Museum
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The whole point of having these is to be able to bring them out on special occasions or for people to rent them. I'm sorry, I'm not buying that whole "they're only going to the museum for 5 years and then they'll come back" BS. It's a death sentence. Does anyone here honestly believe the mismanaged TTC will actually make the effort to return them? They'll just pretend they don't exist and hope we forget about them.
 
Towered said:
The whole point of having these is to be able to bring them out on special occasions or for people to rent them. I'm sorry, I'm not buying that whole "they're only going to the museum for 5 years and then they'll come back" BS. It's a death sentence. Does anyone here honestly believe the mismanaged TTC will actually make the effort to return them? They'll just pretend they don't exist and hope we forget about them.
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I feel like you are dead on here.

It will cost money to retrofit the cars with pantographs and I doubt the TTC wants to maintain facilities to repair these cars given how antiquated they are.

What the TTC needs is something akin to the LTM's Acton Depot where they have a dedicated facility to repair, store and maintain artefacts.
 
Richard White said:
I feel like you are dead on here.

It will cost money to retrofit the cars with pantographs and I doubt the TTC wants to maintain facilities to repair these cars given how antiquated they are.

What the TTC needs is something akin to the LTM's Acton Depot where they have a dedicated facility to repair, store and maintain artefacts.
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You're right. PCC streetcars with pantographs not possible.
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Muni using pantographs on their streetcars back in 1976.

The real reason for the TTC is the lack of funding. Putting pantographs on the vintage streetcars is a "nice to have". The anti-transit politicians will not approve of such expenditures.
 
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W. K. Lis said:
You're right. PCC streetcars with pantographs not possible.
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Muni using pantographs on their streetcars back in 1976.

The real reason for the TTC is the lack of funding. Putting pantographs on the vintage streetcars is a "nice to have". The anti-transit politicians will not approve of such expenditures.
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He didn't say pantographs on PCCs weren't possible, he said that they have to be retrofitted, which is true.
 
Towered said:
The whole point of having these is to be able to bring them out on special occasions or for people to rent them. I'm sorry, I'm not buying that whole "they're only going to the museum for 5 years and then they'll come back" BS. It's a death sentence. Does anyone here honestly believe the mismanaged TTC will actually make the effort to return them? They'll just pretend they don't exist and hope we forget about them.
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I'm reminded of all those missing station ceiling panels that get removed for work and then never get put back in.
 
Richard White said:
Dan,

Any idea if they will be restoring the cars or just leaving them in storage?

From what I understand, HCRY has more rolling stock than manpower. I could have swore I heard somewhere that they are being selective when it comes to restoration due to manpower availability.
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At this point, it's just storage as I understand it.

HCRY will try and run them as much as possible, but as you correctly point out, manpower is a restriction which would prevent them from doing much more than that.

Voltz said:
I'm reminded of all those missing station ceiling panels that get removed for work and then never get put back in.
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Depending on which stations and which ceiling panels they will never go back in, and the reason isn't that the work will never be done.

On the YUS, those panels caused issues with the roof-mounted A/C units of the TRs.Removing them resolved those issues.

Look for the same to happen on the few BD stations have have drop ceilings or slats over the tracks once the new trains start to arrive.

Dan
 
It would be a damn shame if the museum stuck pantographs on them ...

I wonder how much they are "paying the museum for storage"?

My big concern is how they are storing them. There doesn't seem to be enough barn space at the museum to cover everything that should be covered.
 
nfitz said:
My big concern is how they are storing them. There doesn't seem to be enough barn space at the museum to cover everything that should be covered.
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Storage space is already in a pretty catastrophic way, when I was last there for their Christmas show they were storing a bunch of stuff, including the Montrealers, in the back lot behind the main display barn.

I think that one way or another, there's going to be a fair bit of equipment that's going to be worse off when the five years is up than they were before. And considering how many Peter Witts and A15 PCCs the museum already has, I venture that if the TTC ends up not taking them back, they will all end up on the scrapheap.
 
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