BurlOak
Senior Member
It is a milestone and a different look, but we should not be surprised that a custom designed vehicle for the grades and curves in Toronto can actually handle the grades and curves.
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It is a milestone and a different look, but we should not be surprised that a custom designed vehicle for the grades and curves in Toronto can actually handle the grades and curves.
fiendishlibrarian
Active Member
I see that the trolley pole was used, not the pantograph. Presumably the pantograph will be tested on track with new overhead?
JayBeeGooner
Active Member
The off-shelf Flexity can handle 18m max.
bleu
Banned
Interesting to see a response on the Star from a drivers perspective on our streetcar system:
"Seems to me like the streetcars should have been replaced 15 or 20 years ago. I used to take the streetcar along College St. to work coming from the High Park area. It was an absolute nightmare. 40 minutes to an hour commute for 6 kms, streetcars breaking down all the time. I remember sitting there one day inching along 30 minutes late for work and thinking fudge this I'm buying a car. That was 6 years ago. I paid about $10 000 for my car or about the cost of 7 years of Metropasses. It cut my commute time in half. A small price to pay for an hour extra of free time everyday. Plus I could take trips out of town etc. I'm still thankful for public transit though. With all those saps that take the TTC it leaves more space on the roads for my car. "
Public Transit is good as long as it is reliable and fast. Sometimes we can't blame the drivers for not liking to drive. Out streetcars do have their deep flaws (speed in particular).
"Seems to me like the streetcars should have been replaced 15 or 20 years ago. I used to take the streetcar along College St. to work coming from the High Park area. It was an absolute nightmare. 40 minutes to an hour commute for 6 kms, streetcars breaking down all the time. I remember sitting there one day inching along 30 minutes late for work and thinking fudge this I'm buying a car. That was 6 years ago. I paid about $10 000 for my car or about the cost of 7 years of Metropasses. It cut my commute time in half. A small price to pay for an hour extra of free time everyday. Plus I could take trips out of town etc. I'm still thankful for public transit though. With all those saps that take the TTC it leaves more space on the roads for my car. "
Public Transit is good as long as it is reliable and fast. Sometimes we can't blame the drivers for not liking to drive. Out streetcars do have their deep flaws (speed in particular).
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
And what does that has to do with the new streetcars in particular? Nothing.
AoD
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raptor
Senior Member
I'm sorry, I know it's OT, but I just have to throw my 2 cents. This moron thinks his car costs $10,000? I guess he forgot he must pay for his driver's license renewal + annual license plate renewals + GAS + INSURANCE + Maintenance. Without doing the detailed math, I'm sure it works out to much more than 7 years worth of metropasses.
Again, sorry for going OT.
Again, sorry for going OT.
bleu
Banned
that's because you don't see it.
If the new streetcars can overcome many of the issues of the older fleet, fewer people will find it attractive to own cars.
AlvinofDiaspar
Moderator
And that hasn't been repeated in the 152 pages of postings prior? Besides, from a driver's perspective the improvements are non-consequential - it isn't like a) their drive will all of a sudden improve dramatically or b) that it will be enticing enough for them not to drive.
AoD
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car4041
Active Member
Buses running downtown would share this deep flaw, so I'm not sure what the alternative is. We're never going to see a College St subway!
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
I wonder how long before these sexy streetcars are filled with idiots tagging the seats and scratching the windows?
JayBeeGooner
Active Member
You don't see it. The TTC, for all it's problem's is a cakewalk compared to owning a car in this city. It's why the ridership is steadily rising. Like AoD said, that comment brings nothing to the discussion, especially considering it's well known many "416" commentors on the Star are from the 905, and are just trolling.
Juan_Lennon416
Senior Member
I'm curious but what proof do you have to back this up?
JayBeeGooner
Active Member
Their total ignorance, and outright errors when claiming to be from a neighbourhood. I live in the St. Clair/Bathurst area, and I've read comments about the ROW and area that are blatantly wrong.
canortan
New Member
Talk radio's raison d'etre is to get people riled up about something. If all the streetcars were replaced with buses tomorrow, they'd be talking about how the buses get in their way.
W. K. Lis
Superstar
This photo of the Bloor streetcar line from overhead shows three streetcar trains. Three new streetcars would take the place of those six streetcars in the photo.
Note that each individual PCC streetcar in the photo has each own trolley. Or two trolleys or power sources per streetcar train. With the new streetcars, only one power source, instead of two, will be used. This is why the thicker gauge wire will be used and why the pantograph would be the preferred power collection.
The Peter Witt trains only had one trolley to power both streetcar and trailer. However, there was no air-conditioning, cameras, or other electrical devices to power (except for traction and lighting). They did have problems with fully loaded vehicles going uphill, slowly going uphill.
Note that each individual PCC streetcar in the photo has each own trolley. Or two trolleys or power sources per streetcar train. With the new streetcars, only one power source, instead of two, will be used. This is why the thicker gauge wire will be used and why the pantograph would be the preferred power collection.
The Peter Witt trains only had one trolley to power both streetcar and trailer. However, there was no air-conditioning, cameras, or other electrical devices to power (except for traction and lighting). They did have problems with fully loaded vehicles going uphill, slowly going uphill.
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