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kevhu
New Member
Caught 4573 testing at Queen & Spadina at around 5PM today.
JamesKoole
Active Member
Sneaky. 4573 has yet to show up on Nextbus for whatever reason.
lead82
Senior Member
What’s the latest total now? 126/204?
crs1026
Senior Member
That gets increasingly complicated
Delivered - 4400, 4402-4526, 4528, 4572-73 - 129 cars
Built to less than full spec, not yet delivered as a "complete" car - 4401 - 1 car
Shipped, en route - 4527, 4529
So, 132 in existence, but.....
4 cars off site for rewelding
1 car off site for repairs (flood damage)
1 car off site for final fit-out
- Paul
bbdfollower
New Member
For delivered + accepted cars, it puts us at 129 then? The cars off for crack-fixing, presumably that's all under warranty?
Towered
Senior Member
TransitBart
Senior Member
From CPTDB. There were 50 ALRVs. Only 8 remain in serviceable shape. There were 200 CLRVs. 89 have been retired. 42 + 89 = 131. There is not even a net increase in vehicles. Just bigger and newer.
As for 505. There is a lot of construction on Dundas still between Spadina and Yonge. Streetcars would be hopeless there.
But even with half the 504s turning at Cherry loop, Broadview is tied up regularly at Danforth.
I am not sure that 505 will be a streetcar again for some time. I believe that Dundas West and Broadview can’t handle the larger cars. Each needs a third platform notwithstanding deflecting a large number of car movements to Cherry and Dufferin loops.
Steve X
Senior Member
I have a feeling they'll keep 502, 503 and 505 buses till 2026 when they order more streetcars.
nfitz
Superstar
Currently at Broadview, the 504s are all using one (too short) streetcar platform and the 505 buses the other. There's a similar arrangement at Dundas West. There's nothing at either station stopping 505 returning as streetcars.
The more frequent 504 was the line having problems at Broadview station in particular, with the short 1-car platform. The TTC resolved(?) this by significantly cutting 504 frequency on Broadview and Roncesvalles in the fall.
smallspy
Senior Member
Nitpick: there were 52 ALRVs delivered to the TTC, and while 196 CLRVs were built one was scrapped in 2009 after a failed rebuilding project.
Additionally, not one ALRV has been in service for the past 4 weeks or more, so it will be interesting to see if they return to service.
Dan
drum118
Superstar
CPTBD list has 96 CLRV's scrap as well 36 car ALRV's. Tracker sees only 13 ALRV's and 6 that can be use for service. 4236 shows up at Roncy 19 days ago, with 12 at Russell. 4203, 4204, 4207, 4225, 4226, 4228 are the only cars with current GPS location, with the rest been last seen a week to a month ago.
Don't expect to see any ALRV's in service until the warm weather is here to the point the fleet is already retired.
Since there is a plan on rebuilding Dundas West station and loop, it should be done at the same time as the k/q/q/r intersection is being done. More so, a development should be built over it as part of the redevelopment of the property on the south side.
By scraping the existing fleet sooner, saves money trying to keep them running until 2023, but reduce service level and continue the cattle car loads. Even adding buses to off set the lost of CLRV's, it takes away buses from routes that need more service. Its a no winner for riders.
Wouldn't be surprise to see 505 and 511 remain buses until a new order shows up.
TTC will have 3 more cars on site this week. 4573 is out testing, but GPS is not working for it. No idea if 4525 has done its testing 100%, but been in the service bay since Friday and could see service this week since it arrived one day after 4526.
Don't expect to see any ALRV's in service until the warm weather is here to the point the fleet is already retired.
Since there is a plan on rebuilding Dundas West station and loop, it should be done at the same time as the k/q/q/r intersection is being done. More so, a development should be built over it as part of the redevelopment of the property on the south side.
By scraping the existing fleet sooner, saves money trying to keep them running until 2023, but reduce service level and continue the cattle car loads. Even adding buses to off set the lost of CLRV's, it takes away buses from routes that need more service. Its a no winner for riders.
Wouldn't be surprise to see 505 and 511 remain buses until a new order shows up.
TTC will have 3 more cars on site this week. 4573 is out testing, but GPS is not working for it. No idea if 4525 has done its testing 100%, but been in the service bay since Friday and could see service this week since it arrived one day after 4526.
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
Although a TTC notice says 505 will b e buses until "mid-2019" on their website
ttc.ca/Service_Advisories/Service_changes/feb505.jsp
4204 and 4249 I think will be the only ALRVs that will see service again, the rest haven't for months. Both 4204 and 4249 were in service in Jan before the fleet went dark. 4230 will be retired. As for CLRVs, 4041, 4106, 4120, 4199 will now be retired, as well as 4093 and 4032.
Fred.S
Active Member
I agree that would be ideal, but isn't a Dundas West station and loop reconstruction many years/decades away? Was there ever anything beyond that Metrolinx (?) concept done? K/Q/Q/R is already scheduled for next year, so I see zero chance that they would be done together.
JamesKoole
Active Member
4573 finally showed up on the Nextbus feeds tonight. Currently sitting at Leslie Barns.