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TTC: Flexity Streetcars Testing & Delivery (Bombardier)

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4446 has been off loaded today after leaving Aug 10, 86 days ago.

4448 has taken 4446 place on the Flat.

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4431 has reenter service on 501 after arriving Oct 5th, 22 days ago,
 
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4450 has been off loaded as it was loaded Aug 18, 84 days ago. If off loaded Friday, it would have been the fastest turn around car.

4444 has taken 4450 spot on the flat.

Is 4442 in town as it should have been here before 4446??
 

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Does anybody know anything about the former Bombardier facility next door to UTDC Kingston? It's at 5055 Taylor Kidd Blvd, currently occupied by Direct Coil. I was looking at some aerial photography and saw that they are connected to each other with tracks. Does anybody know what was manufactured here?
 

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Does anybody know anything about the former Bombardier facility next door to UTDC Kingston? It's at 5055 Taylor Kidd Blvd, currently occupied by Direct Coil. I was looking at some aerial photography and saw that they are connected to each other with tracks. Does anybody know what was manufactured here?
Bombardier bought the facility from SNC-Lavalin after one of the predecessors of that outfit bought UTDC from the Ontario Government in the 1986. As far as I know, the manufacturing facility there maintained a dual-ownership until Bombardier's purchase in or around 1991.

The facility was built first to test the ICTS system - both its motors and signalling system - and then the production facility was built a couple of years later to build the cars. A satellite facility was built in Vancouver to assemble many of their early cars, but most of the ICTS (now ART) cars built were done so at Millhaven. They've also used the facility to build monorail fleets for some orders. Other vehicles have been built there as well, including most of the TTC's former ALRV fleet (the first 11 were built in Thunder Bay, with the 12th shipped - in pieces - to Millhaven for final assembly), the Flexity Freedom cars for Kitchener, Toronto and Edmonton, and 8 of the TTC's Flexity cars for their downtown fleet.

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^Cant wait to hear of the next latest Standard Operating Procedure set by the TTC to mitigate this kind of accident, which will result in even more dreadful streetcar operations.
 

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4453 was off loaded yesterday after been off property 77 days. This is the fastest turn around to date,

4445 has taken 4453 spot on the flat.

4429 has looked like it ready to reenter service the last last few days after being here 50 plus days.
 

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4429 has reenter service on 505 after arriving sept 16, 64 days ago
 

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4432 has been off loaded today with the fastest turn around at 76 days. 4447 has taken 4432 on the flat. It was to been off loaded yesterday, but TTC delay it a day again.

4442 that was shipped 111 days ago has been bypass by cars shipped after it and have return so far before it.

16 more cars to be ship to complete the welding program.

4440 has reenter service on 501 after arriving Oct 5, 51 days ago,

5 cars still in Quebec Plus 4447 with 3 in the Leslie Barns and 4442 will make it 4.
 

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4442 has finally return to Hillcrest after 117 day and off loaded today. It was drop off on Sunday and no car has taken 4442 spot on the flat yet.

Not sure if TTC will find the same problems with BBD cars like Minneapolis has with not only BBD cars, but Siemens cars as well. Rust does happen with all the salt that put on the roads during the winter months. BBD car frames were made in Mexico that had the same issues as the first 66 cars TTC got, but used rivets to fix the issue since Minneapolis lack the knowledge of TTC at the time.

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Rusty Bombers (Bombardiers)
Union unhappy that Twin Cities light-rail cars may go to Louisiana for maintenance

Work on LRT cars may be outsourced to Louisiana

By Janet Moore Star Tribune November 28, 2021 — 4:34pm

It's been 17 years since the Blue Line began service in the Twin Cities, and the system's aging light-rail trains are in need of an overhaul.

But a disagreement has surfaced between Metro Transit, which operates the Green and Blue lines, and unionized workers who say they're being denied the chance to work on the rust-plagued vehicles. The work, they contend, should stay in Minnesota.

Instead, transit officials appear poised to award a $7.7 million contract to a Florida company that will ship the cars by rail from the Twin Cities to Louisiana, where rust mitigation and other improvements will take place. The contract could total $12 million, to be funded by federal and local sources.

Metro Transit's action "has the net effect of shipping union jobs and huge sums of taxpayer monies out of state because of [management's] failures," said Ron Kammueller, who represents light-rail maintenance workers with Local 1005 of the Amalgamated Transit Union (ATU), during a recent meeting of the Metropolitan Council's Transportation Committee.

The committee was considering a contract calling for RailCar Co., of Sarasota, Fla., to work on 16 Bombardier light-rail vehicles, used primarily on the Blue Line linking downtown Minneapolis and the Mall of America.The contract was advertised a year ago, and RailCar Co. was the lone bidder.

The Met Council, which oversees Metro Transit, is expected to consider the contract at its Dec. 8 meeting.

Metro Transit officials maintain that if the contract isn't awarded soon, the cost to get the work done may increase. Asked why the contract hadn't gone before the council sooner — Metro Transit received the RailCar Co. bid in January — spokesman Howie Padilla said extra time was needed for "due diligence."

"Under ideal circumstances, we would love to do this work in-house," he said.

Rust mitigation on the cars began in 2017, with ATU workers completing the work on 11 aging vehicles. But the rust-busting program was slowed because of construction at Metro Transit's Hiawatha Maintenance Facility, which was expanded to make room for future Southwest light-rail trains. The Southwest line is about 60% complete. though it's still unclear when that service between Minneapolis and Eden Prairie will begin.

Shipping the older light-rail vehicles to Louisiana will give Metro Transit maintenance staffers a head start on rust mitigation for an additional 64 light-rail cars made by Siemens that have "far less severe" corrosion, according to the agency's proposal.

"If we don't do this to catch up, then the cars won't last 30 years or so," Padilla said. Metro Transit officials said last week they hope each vehicle will last up to 40 years with proper maintenance.

Minnesota's harsh weather and the prolific use of road salt to combat ice and snow has led to rust on some light-rail vehicles — degradation that can be hard to spot unless the car is dismantled.

"The issue that we are facing is to get to that rust before it progresses to an advanced stage," said Jay Wesley, project manager for Metro Transit, at the Transportation Committee meeting.

Kammueller said it's doubtful RailCar Co. will employ union labor in Louisiana, a right-to-work state. It's also unclear whether some of the work will be done by subcontractors.

A man answering the phone at RailCar Co. last week declined to comment on the contract or identify himself. Metro Transit contends the firm has done similar work for TriMet, the transit provider in Portland, Ore.; officials with TriMet were not available for comment.

Metro Transit claims that a dearth of maintenance workers in Minnesota also is contributing to the decision to outsource jobs. Though there were 41 openings for maintenance workers through August, Metro Transit was only able to hire two people.

Kammueller contended that Metro Transit has bungled an in-house apprentice program designed to attract workers.

url: https://www.startribune.com/union-unhappy-that-twin-cities-light-rail-cars-may-go-to-louisiana-for-maintenance/600121668/?refresh=true
 

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Not sure if TTC will find the same problems with BBD cars like Minneapolis has with not only BBD cars, but Siemens cars as well. Rust does happen with all the salt that put on the roads during the winter months. BBD car frames were made in Mexico that had the same issues as the first 66 cars TTC got, but used rivets to fix the issue since Minneapolis lack the knowledge of TTC at the time.
I think the TTC had stainless steel frames for them which is one of the reasons for the poor welding from the Mexico plants. Welding stainless steel requires a very sp[ecific technique called a full penetration weld and what was happening in Mexico was that as soon as someone learned how to do it they went somewhere else to do it so they kept having to teach new people how to do it. The TTC has had steel frames on everything since they had buses with aluminum frames rust prematurely.
 

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Lol, the picture at the top of the article looks an awful lot like a Flexity. I'm guessing it's a stock image from earlier Green Line materials produced before they'd made the vendor choice. The pic further down is different...
Except the pic further down looks like a Siemens S200 that’s currently in use on the Ctrain. The CAF Urbos looks like a rounder version of the Citadis. Rode the Urbos in Budapest and Kaohsiung, Taiwan; remember feeling they felt wider than the TTC Flexitys. The Kaohsiung one also operates on tracks covered with grass and catenary-free, basically everything I wish we had in Toronto.
 

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