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Fare Hike and Service Cuts
As it stands, you have until 9.30 am Tuesday to get your name on the presentations list if you want to speak about the Fare Hike and Service Cuts for TTC as the meeting is to start at 10 am on Wednesday Sept 12. gso@ttc.ca
Other items to be heard
BUDGET MATTERS
2. Commission's Workforce History: 1997 – 2007
3. Toronto-York Spadina Subway Extension – Impact of Postponing the Project
4. Update – 2008 Bio-Diesel Fuel Pricing
I can only come up with some real numbers for riders who will have to look for another route if cuts take place as some routes are combined with other routes.
19 routes will force 30,160 daily to walk further and does at least 1 extra transfer. Some of these routes only see peak service in the first place. TTC will free up 50 buses at peak time and since TTC is short drivers in the first place, there is no lost to front staff. No real saving to TTC other than having a few extra buses sitting in the yard and they would replace buses that are failing faster than plan.
The other 15 routes are hard to say how many buses will be removed, but they will have an impact on riders.
107 should be turn over to YRT since they paid for a good section of it in the first place.
At the end of the day, buses that are crowded will become over crowded and force riders to wait for the next one. No real change or saving to the riders.
A rider stated at the July meeting they are on a fix income and will see a 2% increase in November and that works out to be about $12 a month.
A 10 cent fare increase for tokens/tickets based on 10 trips a week will eat up 36% of this increase. A 25 cent increase would eat 90% of this increase. Now, what does this rider as well 10's of thousand riders that are on fix incomes are to do when it comes to the items that have increased more than 10% this year along when they were counting on this increase to off sit it? In some case the base needs items have increase as much as 30%.
A 10 cent fare hike will generate about $44 million a year assuming TTC does not loose any riders with the hike. TTC will loose riders as people would end up walking more since they cannot afford the fare in the first place.
A 25 cent hike would generate about $109 million and TTC would loose a great potion of the riders it has gain over the last few years.
Unless you are making $20plus per hour, these changes will have a great impact on the residents of Toronto. The lower incomers are been held as hostage along with the most disadvantaged to stay in their home if they cannot afford to pay for transit if they cannot walk to their needs in the first place.
The car folks will welcome this as there will be less people and buses in their way to get around the city. Now to get those streetcars out there way.
I don't every route on the list as I have no ridden them in the first place to say they should be cut. Looking at the data does not tell the real story why they should be cut. I do know a few of these routes play an important part for riders along those routes and they must stay in place. Some routes should be cut or reline.
If we are looking at cost ratio only, then 192, 51, 130, 117, 46, 191, 88, 503, 502, 106, 192, 48, 53, 11, 28, 122, just a few that are below 40% level, but have high ridership numbers. Some of the routes on the block have 40% or better in the first place, but low ridership numbers.
If these cuts are to cause the least impact on riders, where do we start if another round of cuts is to take place once these routes are gone?
As for the Spadina extension, build it, but plan on not opening it until there is a sole source of funding for it to cover the operating cost for it that is not part of TTC current operation or future cost.
There will be a fare hike and some service cuts come Sept 19.
As it stands, you have until 9.30 am Tuesday to get your name on the presentations list if you want to speak about the Fare Hike and Service Cuts for TTC as the meeting is to start at 10 am on Wednesday Sept 12. gso@ttc.ca
Other items to be heard
BUDGET MATTERS
2. Commission's Workforce History: 1997 – 2007
3. Toronto-York Spadina Subway Extension – Impact of Postponing the Project
4. Update – 2008 Bio-Diesel Fuel Pricing
I can only come up with some real numbers for riders who will have to look for another route if cuts take place as some routes are combined with other routes.
19 routes will force 30,160 daily to walk further and does at least 1 extra transfer. Some of these routes only see peak service in the first place. TTC will free up 50 buses at peak time and since TTC is short drivers in the first place, there is no lost to front staff. No real saving to TTC other than having a few extra buses sitting in the yard and they would replace buses that are failing faster than plan.
The other 15 routes are hard to say how many buses will be removed, but they will have an impact on riders.
107 should be turn over to YRT since they paid for a good section of it in the first place.
At the end of the day, buses that are crowded will become over crowded and force riders to wait for the next one. No real change or saving to the riders.
A rider stated at the July meeting they are on a fix income and will see a 2% increase in November and that works out to be about $12 a month.
A 10 cent fare increase for tokens/tickets based on 10 trips a week will eat up 36% of this increase. A 25 cent increase would eat 90% of this increase. Now, what does this rider as well 10's of thousand riders that are on fix incomes are to do when it comes to the items that have increased more than 10% this year along when they were counting on this increase to off sit it? In some case the base needs items have increase as much as 30%.
A 10 cent fare hike will generate about $44 million a year assuming TTC does not loose any riders with the hike. TTC will loose riders as people would end up walking more since they cannot afford the fare in the first place.
A 25 cent hike would generate about $109 million and TTC would loose a great potion of the riders it has gain over the last few years.
Unless you are making $20plus per hour, these changes will have a great impact on the residents of Toronto. The lower incomers are been held as hostage along with the most disadvantaged to stay in their home if they cannot afford to pay for transit if they cannot walk to their needs in the first place.
The car folks will welcome this as there will be less people and buses in their way to get around the city. Now to get those streetcars out there way.
I don't every route on the list as I have no ridden them in the first place to say they should be cut. Looking at the data does not tell the real story why they should be cut. I do know a few of these routes play an important part for riders along those routes and they must stay in place. Some routes should be cut or reline.
If we are looking at cost ratio only, then 192, 51, 130, 117, 46, 191, 88, 503, 502, 106, 192, 48, 53, 11, 28, 122, just a few that are below 40% level, but have high ridership numbers. Some of the routes on the block have 40% or better in the first place, but low ridership numbers.
If these cuts are to cause the least impact on riders, where do we start if another round of cuts is to take place once these routes are gone?
As for the Spadina extension, build it, but plan on not opening it until there is a sole source of funding for it to cover the operating cost for it that is not part of TTC current operation or future cost.
There will be a fare hike and some service cuts come Sept 19.
