TTC: Bloor Danforth Line 2 West Extension(s)

[dowlingm]

I would like to see commercial/institutional projects at the end of lines like these (see also Sheppard extension to Consumers Road/Vic Park), to support reverse commuting, not pour more residential originating commuters into lines already hitting capacity.

 

[innsertnamehere]

The 900 unit development also has half a million square feet of office space planned in it. No idea if that will actually happen, though.

 

[crs1026]

The number of people living around a station is just one factor in transit demand. The number of jobs and destinations around a station is also important. There's a significant number of people that come to the area to work and shop but who don't live there.

I question whether there are *that* many jobs out there. The Shorncliffe and Queensway buses don't show a subway-quality ridership. Yes, the area is chock full of retail stores, but for all its square footage, a Homesense store or a Best Buy represents only a bus load or two of customers and workers per day. As for Sherway itself, it has a huge parking lot - full of high end SUV's. You aren't going to get that clientele on a bus anytime soon. And the hospital is mostly long term care, very little day treatment and no emerg clinic.

In theory, it can all be built, yes....but it's bit down the priority list. Getting this one in play will just be a distraction to the bigger items.

- Paul

 

[BurlOak]

The main benefits of prioritizing the B-D extension to Honeydale are:

• It can be done at-grade so the cost would be minimal.
• It would allow a new bus terminal to be built to serve GO and Mississauga, and then have renovations be done to Kipling with much less disruption.
• It would show that Toronto can build a subway extension for <$200M/km, instead of the $400M+ we are seeing elsewhere, resulting in a push to find ways of lowering those $400M numbers.
• It would still allow future extension to Sherway.

 

[junctionist]

I question whether there are *that* many jobs out there. The Shorncliffe and Queensway buses don't show a subway-quality ridership. Yes, the area is chock full of retail stores, but for all its square footage, a Homesense store or a Best Buy represents only a bus load or two of customers and workers per day. As for Sherway itself, it has a huge parking lot - full of high end SUV's. You aren't going to get that clientele on a bus anytime soon. And the hospital is mostly long term care, very little day treatment and no emerg clinic.

In theory, it can all be built, yes....but it's bit down the priority list. Getting this one in play will just be a distraction to the bigger items.

- Paul

Thousands of people probably work in the area, which includes 215 stores at Sherway Gardens, all the surrounding retailers, the industrial parks, the hospital, and the office buildings. Thousands more visit each day to the stores, businesses, and professional offices in the area.

 

[crs1026]

Thousands of people probably work in the area, which includes 215 stores at Sherway Gardens, all the surrounding retailers, the industrial parks, the hospital, and the office buildings. Thousands more visit each day to the stores, businesses, and professional offices in the area.

This is not higher-order-transit ridership. Note how far down the ranking these routes sit.

- Paul

 

[drum118]

This is not higher-order-transit ridership. Note how far down the ranking these routes sit.

- Paul

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Now, those numbers are for the full route and therefore what percentage go to/from the Sherway area?? If you divide those numbers by 2 to represent to/from, about 5,600 riders are using those route a day, well below any subway support number. MT route 4 bring about 20 at best to Sherway per trip and have seen it as low as 5.

 

[junctionist]

"Subway support numbers" come down to a cost vs. projected ridership analysis. A low-cost surface extension to Cloverdale and Sherway could be justifiable. A station at Cloverdale would capture a lot of Mississauga Transit ridership plus the people using the 111/112 buses. It wouldn't increase operating costs by much, and it would improve transit in the west end. A lot of people would love to live in condos and use transit in the area for shopping and employment, but it remains autocentric. At the end of the day, the more kilometres of track and stations we have, the better the transit system and the better the city.

 

[M II A II R II K]

And the Dundas BRT has to terminate at the subway somehow, and in a separated fashion on the streets.

 

[toaster29]

Looks like this may be happening after all
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...ister-pledges-expansion-into-suburbs-as-part/

Transportation Minister said: “We will be able be able to push the subway [farther] into York, Peel and the Durham regions.”".

The only subway remotely close to Peel region would be this line, I can't see them talking about anything else.

 

[Amare]

I think it's really time for some company to come up with impenetrable concrete wall technology, so it can serve as a way of preventing stupid people from implementing stupid decisions.

 

[WislaHD]

Meh, a weak statement of intent.

Unless, we take it to mean, Hurontario Subway.

 

[toaster29]

The "push" implies adding on to an existing subway though. That's how I read it anyway.

 

[SaugeenJunction]

Thought it may be relevant to post considering recent "developments" (by developments I mean vague statements from a government that clearly hasn't released a transit plan), here is a look at the "subway solution" that the Dundas RT study proposed. BRT was the final choice.

 

[BurlOak]

The "push" implies adding on to an existing subway though. That's how I read it anyway.

Could it be an extension of Eglinton to YYZ.?