Richmond Hill Yonge Line 1 North Subway Extension | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx

innsertnamehere said:
Do you use a mac?
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Not since John Turner was PM.

innsertnamehere said:
Mac can crop in the print screen function. For me, I use dual monitors (well, laptop screen and a monitor), and it will screenshot both monitors and I have to crop down.
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Ah, I rarely printscreen the entire screens - I just do the app.

innsertnamehere said:
Plus, the low quality of the post feeds into the joke.
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Fair enough ... though I was scratching my head what the image was until someone explained it.
 
Nice graph. So, back of an envelope, 1.8 kms of elevated LRT for 1 km of subway.

Even with the extension to Steeles (which seems like a good idea - the ridership is there), for the price of the next 6 kms of subway to Langstaff you could build LRT a further 4 km's to Major Mac.

- Paul
 
Johnny Au said:
Windows: use Alt + PrtScn, then Ctrl + v in a raster graphics program, such as Paint, then Ctrl + s to save

Mac: use ⌘ + Shift + 4 to save a selected area of the screenshot automatically without the need to use a raster graphics program
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The Snipping Tool has been included in Windows for a while, and allows you to drag and select areas of the screen to capture and save.
 
The yonge BRT construction from hwy7 to major mack has already started. I doubt there will be another LRT parallel to it. Having three transit combination on a single corridor is not wise. I'd prefer just a bus from Newmarket to Eaton center even if it is slow at least it saves my ass from transfering twice.
 
salsa said:
York Region says they want a Yonge Line extension ahead of the DRL, have pitched it to Justin Trudeau.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tra...justin-trudeau-on-yonge-subway-extension.html
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York Region is delusional on the transit file and we've known that for a long time. The region is car-centric and they cant even provide proper and reliable transit to encourage people to get out of their cars and take transit. But yet they are here banging on Toronto's door demanding for a subway extension?

Let's get real here, the Yonge subway is OVER-capacity and all the Spadina Extension and ATC will do is reduce increase capacity slightly on an already overcrowded line. That capacity will be swallowed right back up in a matter of a few months. If York Region wants its so bad, let them pay for the entire cost (along with the Feds).

Or better yet, they should start planing a solution to their own problem along Yonge St instead of knocking on Toronto's door to deal with the problem they are about to create.
 
salsa said:
York Region says they want a Yonge Line extension ahead of the DRL, have pitched it to Justin Trudeau.

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/tra...justin-trudeau-on-yonge-subway-extension.html
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1. Toronto made its position clear back in 2009. YNSE won't move forward without the Relief Line moving forward first.
2. Yonge Line will be significantly over capacity (1,300) with 15 min SmartTrack. It's only under capacity with 5 min SmartTrack (33,000) at TTC fare, but we already know that will be impossible. Headways will probably be at about 9 minutes, it will probably have a premium fare, and won't provide adequate Yonge relief.
3. 15 min SmartTrack and the Relief Line Short (to Danforth) would divert enough riders to bring the Yonge Line just at capacity (only 400 below capacity). They'll be no room to spare for the additional 2000 riders from YRNS. So the Relief Line will need to be extended north to at least Eglinton before we can talk about YRNS. Heck, even bringing it to Eglinton might not even be enough to divert another 2000 peak hour riders, since the only route it diverts from the Yonge Line is the Eglinton Line and a few minor bus routes.
5. These ridership projections do not take into account the planned Crosstown West and Crosstown East, which will add additional pressure onto Yonge Line.

In conclusion, York Region is out of their minds. They'd better start planning their own solution for Yonge Street transit, because the Yonge North extension isn't coming anytime soon.
 
Amare said:
York Region is delusional on the transit file and we've known that for a long time. The region is car-centric and they cant even provide proper and reliable transit to encourage people to get out of their cars and take transit.
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The subway extension would help improve the situation that you describe in York Region. The merits of it are quite solid, the only thing holding it back are capacity issues downstream because Toronto hasn't exactly got their shit together either when it comes to the relief line and many other transit projects. Needless to say, there is a lot of work to be done all over the GTA.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
1. Toronto made its position clear back in 2009. YNSE won't move forward without the Relief Line moving forward first.
2. Yonge Line will be significantly over capacity (1,300) with 15 min SmartTrack. It's only under capacity with 5 min SmartTrack (33,000) at TTC fare, but we already know that will be impossible. Headways will probably be at about 9 minutes, it will probably have a premium fare, and won't provide adequate Yonge relief.
3. 15 min SmartTrack and the Relief Line Short (to Danforth) would divert enough riders to bring the Yonge Line just at capacity (only 400 below capacity). They'll be no room to spare for the additional 2000 riders from YRNS. So the Relief Line will need to be extended north to at least Eglinton before we can talk about YRNS. Heck, even bringing it to Eglinton might not even be enough to divert another 2000 peak hour riders, since the only route it diverts from the Yonge Line is the Eglinton Line and a few minor bus routes.
5. These ridership projections do not take into account the planned Crosstown West and Crosstown East, which will add additional pressure onto Yonge Line.

In conclusion, York Region is out of their minds. They'd better start planning their own solution for Yonge Street transit, because the Yonge North extension isn't coming anytime soon.
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Some rough timelines:

The Relief Line Short to Danforth is set to open in about 2028 if funding materializes immediately.

Yonge Line will still be at capacity with RLS and ST, so the extension to Eglinton needs to move forward ASAP. Assuming no political tampering and available funding, that'd open about 2031, since work on the extension to Eglinton would've started three years after the RLS to Danforth.

The Yonge North Subway Extension needs about 2,500 of Yonge capacity for it to move forward. I honestly don't see the Relief Line to Eglinton diverting 2,500 people off of the Yonge Line. The only major line it would intersect is the Eglinton Line, and that has about 5,400 pphpd eastbound AM ridership. So even if the Relief Line to Eglinton diverted a third or a half of Eglinton Line to Yonge transfers, the Yonge North extension would still push Yonge Line to capacity. That means that the Relief Line extension to Sheppard would have to move forward if they want the Yonge North Subway built.

Earliest we see the YRNS is probably 2035, and that's only if the Relief Line to Sheppard is built.
 
salsa said:
The subway extension would help improve the situation that you describe in York Region. The merits of it are quite solid, the only thing holding it back are capacity issues downstream because Toronto hasn't exactly got their shit together either when it comes to the relief line and many other transit projects. Needless to say, there is a lot of work to be done all over the GTA.
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Doesn't help that the goalposts keep moving either. Back in 2009, we thought that the traditional Dundas West to Pape Relief Line would address Yonge crowding, and that after that the YNSE could move forward. 7 years later, we finally figure out that ATO capacity is lower than expected and that our Relief Line plans don't really do much to directly address Yonge Line crowding.
 
TheTigerMaster said:
Doesn't help that the goalposts keep moving either. Back in 2009, we thought that the traditional Dundas West to Pape Relief Line would address Yonge crowding, and that after that the YNSE could move forward. 7 years later, we finally figure out that ATO capacity is lower than expected and that our Relief Line plans don't really do much to directly address Yonge Line crowding.
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Absolutely true. But everyone knew all along that the Pape-downtwon segment of the relief line was the absolute minimum that we've needed to have a long time ago, but even that is still a long way away from happening. Toronto has ignored this for far too long, so now we find ourselves in a really difficult situation where our inaction is also starting to have spillover effects on other municipalities who are unable to pursue some of their own critical transit projects (either due to lack of money or capacity) thanks to Toronto's backlog of unbuilt transit.
 
Amare said:
The region is car-centric and they cant even provide proper and reliable transit to encourage people to get out of their cars and take transit.
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They are anti-transit for requesting more transit?

Look at all the buses from both York and TTC along Yonge North. There's a case to be made for extending the line north.

York is right to push for their needs. And they are right to insist that it shouldn't be dependent on another project. Of course, Toronto is also right to pursue our interest.

Hopefully, the province builds DRL short and Yonge North at the same time, while also retrofitting platform screens and more automation to the line.
 
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