drum118
Superstar
No issues with your position, but I have done bus and ridership at various point on Yonge to backup my numbers as well riding the buses. Have put them into a spreadsheet and used various model spite until 2040 to see what number would look like on opening day and until 2040.Steve Munro can't eat his Wheaties without having first spent 10 hours criticizing something someone is doing with transit. Sometimes he's right, sometimes he's insightful - mostly I find it annoying at this point (this project being entirely beside the point). Armchair engineer. Yawn.
This is silliness. So you're criticizing them for servicing transit riders? Isn't it implicit that people taking transit aren't taking cars? Build a new condo on Yonge. Don't put a subway there. How are people getting around? Bus or car, right? So if you build a subway, it's serving someone who would otherwise be taking a bus or a car?
And they ARE dealing with the root of the problem which is how we've built communities for the past 60-odd years. They're trying to build dense, transit-oriented development along corridors and in nodes so people in York Region - most of whom need cars - won't. You can challenge whether you think that will work or whatever, but to not understand how they're trying to alter a suburban built form is just wrong.
but by all means, let's criticize one of the few suburbs trying to promote transit and intensification.
It's true, so you're wrong again. Come stand at Yonge/Steeles from, say, 8 am to 11 am and count how many buses there are. You can literally stand anywhere along that corridor south of Finch and see 7 or 8 buses going north and south at any given time.
There's plenty to question amid the "propaganda," but this is a fact.
Say what now?
Oh, you did numbers. I see. I don't have my own numbers.
Erm....there are buses on Yonge right now, you know.
There will still be some local buses but not the almost-literal caravan that goes there now. Once you're done standing at Yonge/Steeles and counting buses, try driving in the right lanes for a while. Worst bus knuckles in town.
Riiiiight. Well, I count 6 lanes at this Google Streetview link.
Six in the CITY of Toronto. And six in the SUBURB of York Region.
But what's really funny is that if you do a 360 you can count SEVEN buses in view; exactly like I said.
Oooh, tough talk. So, we both know the DRL is never going to Steeles; Sheppard is the furthest anyone has suggested and that was Metrolinx, while Toronto was too far up its own ass dealing with Scarborough.
And if you're trying to help Toronto riders, you really should be screening people at Finch. Don't let any foreigners board the train until you know that there are downstream people have seats clear to Union. Or, you know, conveniently ignore the thousands of York Region riders always on the train and pretend they're not there, since you made them STUFF their subway.
(Also, you're wrong again. The issue is not capacity SOUTH of Bloor. The issue is capacity AT Bloor.)
By then we'll all have flying cars. Duh!
(No, we probably won't. It's still more likely than your second Yonge line.)
In conclusion - the propaganda may be stupid and a waste of taxpayer money. The extension is still the least stupid transit project being considered in the entire GTA save for RER and the DRL.
In my presentation to TTC on the EA years ago, opening day numbers based on current ridership at the time, and using X cars going to Finch, 1,800 peak ridership was the best I could come up with.
My numbers were very close to Metrolinx number for 2031.
As I have stated, unless the DRL goes to Steeles, not going to help the Yonge line that much.
You think Bloor is the Capacity point, wait tell Crosstown opens, but the line is over capicity south of Bloor as well Eglinton now let alone going to Finch.
You can blame Toronto for a lot of the traffic issues at Steeles since they refused to build the ROW on Yonge that was to be built around 2008 that Miller wanted then.
You talk about York Buses on Yonge, yet you fail to count all the buses on Yonge from Steeles to Finch by all systems and far out weight York number by X factor, yet where is the bitching from local residents, business and the city???
Flying cars will be great as they will be all over the place and blocking the sunlight that buildings will not do. You will not see the sky because of these flying car and a good thing I will not be around to see it.