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Is the food court going to be a dead end like there will be no connection to like maple leaf square or the subway or anything? Like will the centre retail area open with the food court or is their hoarding covering where the entrance to that area will be?
No connection to Maple Leaf Square/Jurassic Park or whatever they call it...Yet. The centre area will eventually open up to be "Fresh Market" type of space.
 

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Where will the elevator be that will take people down to the food court
The elevator is located from the York Street Promenade, so if you picture yourself coming from the TTC heading towards the York Concourse, you'll see 2 ramps leading to the Concourse, look towards the right side ramp and there is an alcove. It's in there.
 

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The elevator is located from the York Street Promenade, so if you picture yourself coming from the TTC heading towards the York Concourse, you'll see 2 ramps leading to the Concourse, look towards the right side ramp and there is an alcove. It's in there.
Ok good I know it wouldn’t be one of the main concourse elevators used to take GO transit passengers up to track level
 

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So what draws people down to the level with the food court in it, other than the food? I'm smelling a disaster in the making here.
As I said before, it will be like the RBC building (Front and Bay) food court. It will be closed after hours and a ghost down during nights and weekends.

I never understood why developers think that building a food court is a an instant win. Take Aura for example, the place is a ghost town at the best of times. Just because you have a food court does not mean people will go there especially if it is a pain in the ass doing so.
 

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Subway commuters will arrive on the same level as the food court. Id expect that to generate some foot traffic. I would hope the food court would be open beyond typical office hours but then im not sure what the economic numbers look like
 

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Subway commuters will arrive on the same level as the food court. Id expect that to generate some foot traffic. I would hope the food court would be open beyond typical office hours but then im not sure what the economic numbers look like
I believe they pick-up sticks at 7 pm sharp with different hours for the weekend. It was discussed here in the past.
 

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As I said before, it will be like the RBC building (Front and Bay) food court. It will be closed after hours and a ghost down during nights and weekends.

I never understood why developers think that building a food court is a an instant win. Take Aura for example, the place is a ghost town at the best of times. Just because you have a food court does not mean people will go there especially if it is a pain in the ass doing so.
Aura failed for several reasons, having a food court was not one.

The primary issue was that they opted for a retail condominium strategy, rather than conventional leasing, along with micro-sized retail units. They didn't include a single destination retailer in the basement either.

Natural light levels are very poor down there. The connection to College Park is awful. They also designed an entry way that feels more like a 'B' office tower lobby than retail entrance, and where the retail on other levels isn't visible from the entry way, never mind the street outside.

That was a boondoggle.

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Union's Food Court will do just fine on weekends.
 

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Open daily from 7am – 7 pm weekdays and 10am – 7pm weekends, the new Union Food Court will also offer other amenities and live programming including TV streaming for major events.
This about sums it up.. the food court will not be open past 7 pm. It is interesting to note that there is still plenty of traffic in the York Concourse at that time and that the Mcdonalds in the Bay Concouse was open much later than 7 PM on a regular basis.
 

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Subway commuters will arrive on the same level as the food court. Id expect that to generate some foot traffic. I would hope the food court would be open beyond typical office hours but then im not sure what the economic numbers look like
So the Union TTC station mezzanine and covered moat is on the food court level? That also means the newish walkway to northwest is on the food court level.

That would be the game changer then! I should look at those old plans again - gosh, it must have been a decade or so since we started closely looking at them - hard to remember any more!

edit - If anyone else has forgotten like me where all these old drawings are hidden, they are in the slideshow at http://urbantoronto.ca/database/projects/union-station-revitalization

The diagram in particular of the food court level is very optimistic, with all the connections to the teamway, moat, ACC, and to the south. I'd imagine that ultimately that there'll always be a lot of foot traffic at food court level. And there'd eventually be some stuff open long past 7 pm if the laws of supply and demand still hold!

 
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So the Union TTC station mezzanine and covered moat is on the food court level? That also means the newish walkway to northwest is on the food court level.

That would be the game changer then! I should look at those old plans again - gosh, it must have been a decade or so since we started closely looking at them - hard to remember any more!
That’s not completely correct. The TTC concourse level is at the same level as the Union Food Court, but it requires going through both retail levels under Bay and Via Councourses. There is no level passage from TTC to Food Court along the north end of Union Station (Front Moats), as it required going up in the Front East Moat and down at the York Concourse.
 
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