I think padding in food court seats is pretty uncommon.Agreed!
I wish they could have saved part of the old concourse, or elements of it. Way more interesting than the "historic" Via concourse, IMO.
Also, the food court seating looks really uncomfortable. No padding on any seats?! None in GO concourse either. I guess they want to deter people from lingering too long.
Is the bottom picture in the bay concourse?I'd forgotten which string it was that I made the claim that the step risers and tread didn't look up to modern building code. I was down there last week, and measured them. Much to my surprise, they are, from memory, a 7" rise and 10.5" tread. There's still something very wrong with them though, and the description "fire escape-like stairs" is completely apt. Someone somewhere must have posted an analysis on-line.
Edit to Add: Thinking about how the same challenge was handled on the Bay Street Concourse , the answer, and it was an interesting one, was to use a common landing between the flights of steps such that an airy space and sense of easy flow happened. The devil for the York ones is the *confinement*. It's psychology, not actual step infrastructure, that's the problem. It's a serious spatial design flaw, and could perhaps be fixed next revamp just by joining the landings into a congruent mall. That would also disburse crowding load too when some platforms are full, others not, just as happens (or happened, God help us if they've changed it) at the Bay concourse.
What a world of difference! And to me, this look, like some of the University Subway stations (Dupont immediately comes to mind) is still inviting, and highly functional.
Those stairs look wider, I'll measure any differences when the Bay Concourse opens again.
In all fairness, ceiling height looks to be different, but I'll measure that too given the next chance.
Metrolinx and GO are resistant because of an issue that occurred in the Bay Concourse in 2006. In November 2006, an escalator malfunctioned in rush hour causing serious injuries sending 8 people to hospital. The escalator was working fine until all of a sudden it sped up and everyone was piled on top of each other at the bottom. See here: https://toronto.citynews.ca/2006/11...calator-accident-that-sent-eight-to-hospital/Actually no in this case - Metrolinx/GO is notoriously resistant to having escalators - and I don't believe they are responsible for that portion of the project anyways.
The incident highlighted the fact it may be unsafe and unwise to have an train disembark using an escalator.
This is interesting, especially in light of the present 'best practice' in other jurisdictions. I was Googling to get some background, and oddly, first hit was this:Some people walk faster than others and if you have 1500 people trying to use an escalator accidents can and in that case did happen. It is safer to use stairs than it is an escalator.
Here's Why Elevators Are Safer Than Escalators - Best LifeHere's Why Elevators Are Safer Than Escalators. Don't believe everything you see in horror movies. ... However, the odds you'll actually be injured in an elevator are relatively slim. In fact, if you're going to be injured moving between floors, an escalator is likely to be the culprit.Sep 18, 2018
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Side_AccessThe LIRR terminal would initially be accessed via stairwells, 22 elevators, and 47 escalators connecting to the existing food court at the lower level of Grand Central. The number of elevators in this terminal would exceed the 19 escalators in the remainder of the LIRR system combined. The MTA would build and open additional entrances at 44th, 45th, 47th, and 48th Streets, as well as connect the new station to the existing 47th Street concourse.:3 The escalators would be up to 180 feet (55 m) long and descend more than 90 feet (27 m). The escalators and elevators would be one of the few privately operated escalators and elevators in the entire MTA system.
In Photos: Installing Crossrail's Escalators | LondonistCrossrail is installing a whopping 81 new escalators across the network. Canary Wharf comes out the winner here, boasting 17 new escalators, more than any other single station. The longest escalator is at Bond Street, a 60 metre bad boy that brings passengers down to platform level 25.7 metres below.Aug 16, 2017
I'm finding references to escalators in a number of Metrolinx projects. Short on time to reference, but here's some:There will be escalators in the new Union Bus Terminal.
- Google search for "Metrolinx escalators", lots more hits.Keelesdale (formerly Keele) Station | Crosstown
www.thecrosstown.ca › The Project › Stations and Stops
May 4, 2018 - Keelesdale Station will be an underground station located at the intersection of ... Thestation will include an off-street bus loop with four bus bays to serve TTC buses. ... floors and allstations will have main entrances with elevators and escalators for passenger accessibility. ... Copyright © 2018 - Metrolinx.
Eglinton Crosstown Light Rail Transit, Toronto - Railway Technology
Up to 54 bus routes, three subway stations and several GO Transit lines will be ... The main entrances of all the stations will be equipped with lifts and escalators.
City, Metrolinx Reveal Early Plans for 6 SmartTrack Stations | Urban ...
Oct 11, 2017 - The city proposes six new SmartTrack stations; Metrolinx proposes two ... overpass and then descend to track level by elevator or escalator.
Union station itself has escalators but they are far from imminent passenger traffic. They are in the food court and the exit from the York Concourse which do not see thousands of people in a span of a few minutes.I'm finding references to escalators in a number of Metrolinx projects. Short on time to reference, but here's some:
- Google search for "Metrolinx escalators", lots more hits.
Not to mention that Union Station has escalators! The one down from the main hall to the GO York Concourse is an excellent example, I know it all too well as with a dog, you avoid each and all escalators (toe nails get caught).
And I do believe...tada...escalators down from the York Concourse to the food level.
You're 'objective reasoning' leaves a lot to be desired.Even VIA rail has attendants at the bottom of all their escalators to prevent people from being trampled.
Absolutely, albeit the speed change on a landing, especially for those with wheeled baggage, would be disruptive of overall flow and balance. You're on the right track though, as this is required on stairs, not on escalators, the reason being that the dangers of continuous flights of steps are known and recognized.Most likely, it is best to avoid or split up l-o-n-g escalators. For maintenance and safety reasons, to have shorter escalators.
Daily press, 2016-01-21, 10:02 AM
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Ban escalators, and planes, and all modern devices! And let's go back to horse drawn carriages too...