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hawc said:
I was responding to evandyk who said:

"It has enough shelter that it probably would never be uncomfortably cold."
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I suppose I was wrong about that. Though the windchill yesterday was pretty bad, and it's not often that cold in Toronto.
hawc said:
I think one of the big factors to keeping this indoor/outdoor mall feeling really 'high end' will be whether security can keep the people suffering homelessness out of it.

I'm not making a statement on whether that's right or wrong, I'm just saying that the plain reality of it is that if all the corners and staircases start smelling like piss and if the trip down to the underground parking garages is a disgusting one and if there are people lying around or begging for change it's going to have a really different feel to the place really fast.
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You can walk around the Path all day and see very little evidence of homelessness. Any time somebody slightly disheveled enters, there are three security guards following them immediately. I imagine the Well will be the same.
 
It’s bitterly cold outside at this moment, but If you dress for it, it’s totally fine. There is plenty of street use by pedestrians when it’s cold in Toronto, this mall will be no different, and certainly along the east-west paths within the mall, you will in fact be more sheltered from the wind. It’s the north-south passage that would feel the coldest.

I’d be more worried about the work from home factors decreasing shopping numbers, than the few and decreasing number of days each year where it’s actually chilly.
 
It's also a little off the beaten path, which I'm sure has been mentioned here already.

It's south of the King/Queen shopping corridors and west of the Yonge/Bay shopping scene.

Not really a shopping area, but maybe that will change.

That Indigo was really impressive.
 
I think once some of the projects surrounding this get going, it will make a big difference re: making it feel a bit less like an island and give folks more of a reason to pass through the complex vs around it.

400 Front will bridge the gap to the east, 46 Spadina to the north, 467, 485 Wellington, and 18 Portland to the west, and hopefully the Metrolinx Spadina Front TOD project to the south.
 
ProjectEnd said:
The security here are wiiiiildly overbearing. There's barely time for shoppers to linger or folks to get coffee in Building G's lobby before you're accosted by rent-a-cops (it's happened twice to me at different times last year). It's wild.
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If your reputation as a troublemaker has preceded you here, I swear it wasn't me that tipped them off. LOL

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In all seriousness, that's no good. Though, perhaps not entirely surprising.
 
Northern Light said:
If your reputation as a troublemaker has preceded you here, I swear it wasn't me that tipped them off. LOL

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In all seriousness, that's no good. Though, perhaps not entirely surprising.
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I remember this also being the case in the early days of Dundas Square. I was once taking photos from there (for UT) shortly after the square opened, and security asked what I was doing in a confrontational manner. It's probably just a bit of over-zealousness that'll taper off after time.
 
cassius said:
I remember this also being the case in the early days of Dundas Square. I was once taking photos from there (for UT) shortly after the square opened, and security asked what I was doing in a confrontational manner. It's probably just a bit of over-zealousness that'll taper off after time.
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Post 9/11 paranoia too. I’ve last count the number of times security or police have hassled me for taking photos. This didn’t really stop until everybody’s phone also became a camera.
 
Towered said:
I was at The Well last week late in the evening wandering around taking loads of pics. Didn't see a single security guard.
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It maybe the quality of the guards ProjectEnd-san ran into. You know, first day on the job rubes who had their necks baked a wee bit too much in the sun. Hopefully they get filtered out with more chilled veterans who know what they're doing. Hopefully...
 
Seemed to me it was less about time on the job and more of a directive from ownership. I mean, who questions people milling in an office lobby which happens to feature a coffee shop?
 
ProjectEnd said:
Seemed to me it was less about time on the job and more of a directive from ownership. I mean, who questions people milling in an office lobby which happens to feature a coffee shop?
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I was at that lobby with some friends a couple of weeks ago. We were sitting on a bench while one of us tried to find the washrooms (they’re not easy to find and the way finding signs for them throughout The Well are confusing). Lots of people milling around, some (like us) didn’t even buy coffee from De Mello (line was too long). No security guard tried to stop us or anyone else. My friend had his dog with him and we weren’t sure if dogs were allowed inside the lobby, but a security guard just outside the lobby entrance assured us that he could bring the dog inside.
 
A clear case of baseless discrimination. What's suspicious about this?

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