Toronto The Well | 174.03m | 46s | RioCan | Hariri Pontarini

Spot on review.

Were you commenting on what was in print here only, or did you watch the video?

It absolutely was not.

I certainly can't endorse the whole thing as spot on, if only for the 'Tik Tok girlie" reference which was just juvenile; as was the general tone.

I think the take that it's only 1/2 open is a fair one, that part is accurate enough, the food hall is arguably the signature retail feature, as well as many of the restos, and those are mostly unopened as yet.

Certainly there has to be some fairness in that observation, and the hype is not supported by the currently open retailers.

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The 'outdoor' mall in Canada/Not Florida business was really rather silly. As many have noted above, main street retail throughout the old City is linked by outdoor sidewalks. They generally don't have any form of roof/canopy either, which clearly exists at 'The Well'.

If you're arriving in winter gear, and going to a few different places, or strolling through, it's not like this is Yorkdale, it's less than a 5 minute walk from one end to other. Hardly a big deal.

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The absence of seating in any form (including patio) at Prince Street is a fair observation. I've grabbed a slice there, and there really is nowhere convenient to eat it on the Front Street side at all; Wellington offers some nice options, but you'd need to know that and walk a minute or two out of the way.

Prince's owners know this is a problem and are working on some solution in terms of outdoor seating.

I do think it would have made sense to at least have some 'standing table' eating space inside; not so much due to winter specifically as just to meet the needs of customers any time of year. I do think the failure to include that was an odd mistake.
 
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It absolutely was not.
Thanks for sharing.

Were you commenting on what was in print here only, or did you watch the video?
The video. I concur with the assessment that having an outdoor mall isn't ideal, especially when like the video points out, through lack of indoor seating, you're forced to eat outdoors in the cold.
 
I figure that once the food hall is open, people would bring food from Prince St Pizza there to eat. I can see enjoying a coffee or tea outdoors when it is cold, but digging into a pizza maybe not.

I think the units are far too wide at the Well. It makes for rather low density of shops.
 
sterday - despite the streetcar's slow trundle, stepping off with the nice pavers and architecture in the background is a lovely, novel type of Toronto urbanity.

Rekindled my desire for an extension of the Well's concept to the other side of Spadina:
I like this idea. Many of these outdoor concepts in the UK are split up and still work well, like the Bull Ring in Birmingham and Cabot Centre in Bristol.
 
Obviously outdoor malls in Canada aren't as ideal as they'd be in The Bahamas. But what is the alternative? Only having indoor spots to hang out? Being resigned to dark and dingy spots just because it's cold? If there's anyone on Earth who knows how to brave the winter its Canadians. And sure, the mall may not be bustling with action when its -20 outside, but walking around outdoors when its around 0º really isn't that bad.
Yeah, that video is ridiculous. He keeps referring to the idea of an outdoor mall in "Canada" as a bad idea, yet Toronto is further south than I think it's 27 of the 50 states? Because Toronto happens to be in a country with Nunavut or Edmonton, lumps the city in to make the idea of an 'outdoor mall' as a ridiculous one, when it really isn't. Toronto winters are mild.
 
Yeah, that video is ridiculous. He keeps referring to the idea of an outdoor mall in "Canada" as a bad idea, yet Toronto is further south than I think it's 27 of the 50 states? Because Toronto happens to be in a country with Nunavut or Edmonton, lumps the city in to make the idea of an 'outdoor mall' as a ridiculous one, when it really isn't. Toronto winters are mild.
Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if a majority of Americans think it snows most of the year everywhere in Canada. Their education system... does not exactly care about anything beyond their borders.

You'd hope the internet has improved things (but i doubt it), but there is a reason Rick Mercer's "Talking to Americans" worked so well when it came out a couple decades ago. They knew so little about Canada they truly believed we had no access to the oceans, or that our government was held in the "National Igloo".
 
For those of you old enough to remember the original Don Mills Shopping Centre, before it was covered and eventual demolished, outdoor shopping was never a hardship in our winters.

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Toronto is further south than I think it's 27 of the 50 states?
Closer to 14 I would think.

For those of you old enough to remember the original Don Mills Shopping Centre, before it was covered and eventual demolished, outdoor shopping was never a hardship in our winters.
Why did they cover it?
 
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Anyways, if this guy wants indoor shopping streets, he can go down to the Path and have it to his heart's content. Of course, that's not exactly a really lively/atmospheric place either, despite the hordes of people Tuesday through Thursday.
 
Closer to 14 I would think.


Why did they cover it?
Closer to 14 I would think.


Why did they cover it?
Increased competition from other enclosed shopping malls like Fairview in the mid 70's. It didn't help because once Eaton's closed, the mall didn't have a main tenant and the mall was closed, demolished and replaced with what's there today; an outdoor shopping area.
 
To play devil's advocate, I can see that it might be nice if the atrium was essentially enclosed but not necessarily heated. The waste heat from neighbouring buildings and greenhouse effect heating would raise the temp by a few degrees in the winter. In summer you could open large vents to keep the temperature closer to ambient
 
I was in there on Wednesday morning with the kid. It has enough shelter that it probably would never be uncomfortably cold (there was a cutting wind on Wednesday, but you couldn't feel it at all in there). But there was no way it was a comfortable temperature to sit and eat something.
 

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