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Toronto St. Clair West Transit Improvements | ?m | ?s | TTC

Construction Update

If found the following on the mystclair.com site:
St. Clair Construction News

Sounds like Phase 3 ROW and sidewalks will start next spring. Hey remember last winter it was supposed to start this past spring?
More Dust and Mud and Holes
Wed Nov 12, 2008

By Barbara Indriliunas Snow

The water-main construction on St Clair between Vaughan Rd and Westmount Ave should be finished by Dec 1st, 2008, according to the TTC’s approximate timeline.

Due to concerns about the weather, the TTC and the City will not try to do construction in-between snow storms as they did last year in the Corso Italia area of Dufferin and Lansdowne.
If there is no construction, holes will be sealed for the winter and traffic will not be as disrupted as it has been over the past few months.

In the spring, the emphasis will be on getting the sidewalks finished first and then the streetcar track and safety platforms will be replaced. There will be new traffic patterns due to no left-turns at many streets. When everything is done, the signage will be erected and the new parking regulations will be put into place.

The dust and mud and holes have to be lived with for everyone, business owner, resident or shopper, to get to the new St Clair Ave.

For now, if there are questions or safety concerns, contact the project manager Jozef Grajek directly at jgrajek@toronto.ca or 416-397-4590.

If you have questions about any of the construction techniques or the material used, or anything else technical, please send your query to
super@mystclair.com .

Hope to hear from you soon!
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Last winter's very heavy snowfalls (plural) was a fluke. If the temperatures were 5° warmer, it would have been rain. As it was, the temperatures (especially in February) were colder than normal allowing for the accumulation of snow.
Click on this link for the weather stats.
In 1998, while Toronto just had a lot of rain, Montréal and Ottawa were hit by their biggest ice storm. So each year can be different in snow or rain.
 
W. K. Lis said:
Last winter's very heavy snowfalls (plural) was a fluke.
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Higher than usual - but we seem to get something approaching that once a decade or so.

W. K. Lis said:
If the temperatures were 5° warmer, it would have been rain. As it was, the temperatures (especially in February) were colder than normal allowing for the accumulation of snow.
Click on this link for the weather stats.
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I clicked on that and it shows the average temperature last February was -5.3°. However if you click on the same page on 1971-2000 Climate Normals you'll see that the 1971-2000 average for February was -5.4°. Last February was actually a bit warmer than average. The big difference was that it was much wetter than usual.

The current climate change trend is to a bit warmer temperatures with more precipitation. Historically January and February are low-precipitation months. We might actually see MORE heavy snowfalls with global warming.
 
I'm sorry if this has been asked already (it probably has, but I haven't been following this thread), but why is it that every single stop is located immediately after the lights as seen in this video:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=QoaFCu3SYD0

In the scenario where a streetcar on the ROW needs to stop at a red, it's wasting precious time while people are waiting to get off and can't and just a few feet down the road, people are waiting to get on but need to wait for the streetcar to wait at the red.

So the streetcar stops at the red, waits and then needs to stop at the TTC stop and wait again while loading and unloading passengers.

Wouldn't it have been so much more efficient to locate the stops at the stop lights?

I guess that the remedy in this situation is to synchronize the arrival of a streetcar so that it never gets a red light as it's approaching a TTC stop. Once it stops to load/unload passengers, the red light would be triggered behind the streetcar.
 
Stops before or after the intersections are basically a wash with regards to time. With the stop before the light, the streetcar often sits there loading while the light is green, only to have the light turn red when it's ready to go. With the stop after the intersection, the streetcar can always get moving once it's done loading. It ensures that a streetcar never "wastes" a green light.

Also, the primary reason why stops are on the far side of the intersection is that there's no space on the near side for a platform due to the left-turn lane.
 
From the OUTSTANDING COMMISSION ITEMS report of January 21, 2009:

June 22, 2005
(Deputations)

Transit Priority on Spadina, Harbourfront and St. Clair
Vice-Chair Chow moved the following:

1. That staff be requested to take the necessary action to implement transit priority signalling on Spadina by September 2005 at all locations where it is not already active, with a report back in the Fall of 2006 on the impact.

2. That recommendations 2 to 6 embodied in Mr. Munro’s submission be forwarded to TTC staff and City Transportation staff, with a joint report back to the fall meetings of the TTC and Planning and Transportation Committee.
Referred to R. Cornacchia.

Report to be forwarded to Commission at its meeting on April 27, 2009
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This request has been deferred and deferred.

The TTC has been waiting on the City Transportation to basically give its blessing for transit priority, since 2005. Transit priority would allow the streetcars or LRV's to move first before any other traffic. In other words, the streetcars will almost have a green light at the traffic lights.

We'll see what will happen in April.
 
I think that this will eventually evolve into a major East-West spine once new multi car LRV's come into place.

It's just a pitty that all that concrete and grey shelters are taking away from the small community feel of St.Clair. A grass path along the entire stretch and green coloured shelters would go along way to beautifying the neighborhood.

Because emergency vehicles will use the ROW, grass doesn't sound like a feasible idea until you see this:

BodPave-Installation-Guide.jpg


It's hard enough for cars to drive on, allows natural water/rain drainage but still looks beautiful and green.

Imagine this:

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Grass on streetcar/LRT ROW's looks really beautiful, It's supposed to be placed along Queen's Quay during the reconstruction. I really hope the city considers grassed ROW's for the TC lines. Especially if they use the Richview Corridor...
 
Any examples from cities that get over 1-metre of snow each winter, have plows running down the tracks, and all the salt?
 
^^OMG, I completely forgot about our winters =P. maybe the grass isn't such a good idea. Designer paving could look just as nice and it's year-round!!
 
jks said:
Grass on streetcar/LRT ROW's looks really beautiful, It's supposed to be placed along Queen's Quay during the reconstruction. I really hope the city considers grassed ROW's for the TC lines. Especially if they use the Richview Corridor...
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The Word is ""MAYBE"", not supposed to be. First hand info.

The West 8 wants it, but the City, but most of all, TTC doesn't want it.
 
Phase 3 track excavation to begin Feb. 26

The City updated the Project Website today.
Here's the Construction Notice.
Track excavation to begin one week from today, west of Vaughan Road.
Sidewalk work to begin in April if it's warm enogh.
Streetcars running to Lansdowne in the fall!!!???
 
Look for Phase V EA this Year. That's Gunn's Loop to Jane To Kingsway to Queensway.

The EA was approved and funded by council in 2005
 
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