Toronto Rail Deck Development | 239.43m | 72s | LIUNA | Sweeny &Co

[NYCityBoy]

I wonder if Safde Architects are still involved with this project.

Safde Architects ORCA

 

[ChesterCopperpot]

Haven't been for a long time

 

[urbancog]

Haven't been for a long time

Unfortunately

 

[The Preservationist]

Honestly the real tragedy here is in the early 1970s the waterfront was mostly parking lots and a few warehouses. What should have happened is the first 100m from the lakeshore should have been parkland with progressively taller buildings moving away from the lake. Paying hundreds of millions, or billions?, for a false park over railway lines is not in the same league as lakefront green space.

 

[Amare]

Honestly the real tragedy here is in the early 1970s the waterfront was mostly parking lots and a few warehouses. What should have happened is the first 100m from the lakeshore should have been parkland with progressively taller buildings moving away from the lake. Paying hundreds of millions, or billions?, for a false park over railway lines is not in the same league as lakefront green space.

That's what happens you have politicians without any vision (mostly provincial and municipal in this case) who lead and create a grand cock up known today as Toronto's waterfront.

And to be clear here i'm not talking about the portion that Waterfront Toronto has jurisdiction over, i'm talking about the grand stretch from Park Lawn through to Yonge.

 

[Rascacielo]

I can see this appearing in ‘Unbuilt Toronto’ 2080 edition. If it does, will I get a free copy? I probably won’t be around, but I’m happy to amend my will so that my heir can claim the prize.

 

[Edward Skira]

Honestly the real tragedy here is in the early 1970s the waterfront was mostly parking lots and a few warehouses. What should have happened is the first 100m from the lakeshore should have been parkland with progressively taller buildings moving away from the lake. Paying hundreds of millions, or billions?, for a false park over railway lines is not in the same league as lakefront green space.

Had lots of land to bury the Gardiner at the same time. Concord, for example could have built a portion under CityPlace in return for density.

 

[ProjectEnd]

Had lots of land to bury the Gardiner at the same time. Concord, for example could have built a portion under CityPlace in return for density.

But why? They got all the density they wanted (far more than the original visioning for the CityPlace area), and didn't have to commit to any of that.

 

[vvdrita]

So unfortunate this is all becoming real...The neighbourhood received the notice for community consultation meeting, please show up if you are against it (even though we can only reduce the height but not cancel the project)...

 

[Northern Light]

So unfortunate this is all becoming real..

Its nowhere near real as-yet.

The neighbourhood received the notice for community consultation meeting, please show up if you are against it (even though we can only reduce the height but not cancel the project)...

By all means, you and your neighbours should participate in the process; I would never discourage engagement or encourage apathy.

But @ProjectEnd has spoken on this; we're there any doubts.....this proposal as currently structured is not viable, certainly not in the current market, but probably not in a much better one either.

That said, on the off chance any builder finds a variation here that could work; it would be be my suggestion that you focus on items other than height, for the simple reason that i don't think you'll find +/- 10s on 1, 2, or 6 buildings actually makes a huge difference to you.

You're likely better off focusing on quality of life concerns, everything from unit mix, to tenure, to public realm / parks etc.

IF you haven't already done so, have a good look up thread at the detailed comments, they will give you many jumping off points.

 

[generalcanada]

more community consultation

 

[rdaner]

I can see the little site east of Spadina being doable in the near term as not that big.

 

[Northern Light]

I can see the little site east of Spadina being doable in the near term as not that big.

It is not do-able in the near term.

It would require de-risking or in plain english, a material subsidy to make the numbers work.

 

[Eric D]

Photos of the plans from last night's Community Consultation.

 

[Civdis]

I know many on this forum do not like this proposal, but I have to admit it could do wonders in stitching the city together. There is no way the city can pay to build a rail deck park so I do not mind this solution if it at least gets some of that objective done. Devil will be in the details as always.