Pinnacle One Yonge | 312.5m | 95s | Pinnacle | Hariri Pontarini

3Dementia

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 24, 2007
Messages
2,678
Reaction score
2,089
I was furious when this black thing appeared on the skyline, so I salute the 100 new skyscrapers that have covered it up.

2017621-skyline-1967.jpg

Link
 

cd concept

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Oct 4, 2014
Messages
1,552
Reaction score
678
Looking at the photo up above of Toronto in the late 60s is a reminder of how long it took to get where we are today . Starting with the city's first major skyscraper in height over 50 years ago!
 

poop

Active Member
Member Bio
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
103
Reaction score
340
Looking at the photo up above of Toronto in the late 60s is a reminder of how long it took to get where we are today . Starting with the city's first major skyscraper in height.
it reminds me how toronto was never meant to be as big as it is now lol
 

tstormers

Active Member
Member Bio
Joined
Dec 5, 2014
Messages
375
Reaction score
1,460
it reminds me how toronto was never meant to be as big as it is now lol
I am not sure your statement? All cities are meant to grow.
I can understand not being able to imagine the size, but never doesn't make sense.
The same thought could be put forth to Toronto's size and scale in another 50-60 years when the GTA is closer to the 10million people mark. (guestimate of course)
 

UtakataNoAnnex

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Mar 5, 2020
Messages
1,764
Reaction score
1,902
I was furious when this black thing appeared on the skyline, so I salute the 100 new skyscrapers that have covered it up.

2017621-skyline-1967.jpg

Link
Back then when that thing appeared, the local simian population gained intelligence and eventually became the editorial team behind the Toronto Sun...
 

Riseth

Active Member
Member Bio
Joined
Aug 11, 2020
Messages
284
Reaction score
1,246
Relax. The view has not been destroyed. Things change. Did you enjoy strolling down the industrial wasteland of queens quay 10 years ago?
Skylines should get better, not worse. Call me crazy but I think the cities best architecture should be on full display from the waterfront/postcard shots.

Toronto skyline by GAC'63, on Flickr

In the future skyline, none of that will be visible!

As for that industrial wasteland, you don't need tall buildings there to improve it. Developments that meet the street well, have lots of services and amenities to offer and places to live/work come in all shapes and sizes. Shorter and better designed buildings east of Yonge along the waterfront would have done wonders for the Polson Pier skyline while still improving the area.

It is what it is so it's not worth arguing anymore but in my fantasy skyline, everything east of Yonge along Queens Quay would be much different.
 

Northern Light

Superstar
Member Bio
Joined
May 20, 2007
Messages
11,830
Reaction score
19,088
Location
Toronto/EY
I am not sure your statement? All cities are meant to grow.
I can understand not being able to imagine the size, but never doesn't make sense.
The same thought could be put forth to Toronto's size and scale in another 50-60 years when the GTA is closer to the 10million people mark. (guestimate of course)

The forecast done for the government of Ontario is also a 'guess'; albeit, one hopes an educated one.......

Here's Hemson's guess on their behalf:

1611695027679.png


GTAH (Greater Toronto and Hamilton) 11.17M in 2051............in 30 years.

Greater Golden Horseshoe (includes Niagara, K-W and Barrie) 14.87M in 30 years.

FWIW, I think their overall number is close, but their number for the City of Toronto is understated.

I expect the City to be ~4.2M

Even if you assume falling growth rates beyond that.....I think 50 years out, you can assume a materially higher number.
 

poop

Active Member
Member Bio
Joined
May 1, 2012
Messages
103
Reaction score
340
I am not sure your statement? All cities are meant to grow.
I can understand not being able to imagine the size, but never doesn't make sense.
The same thought could be put forth to Toronto's size and scale in another 50-60 years when the GTA is closer to the 10million people mark. (guestimate of course)
Toronto was not envisioned to be a massive metropolis. It took off in the 70's when the banks fled Quebec and hasn't slowed down since.
 

isaidso

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
May 23, 2007
Messages
1,690
Reaction score
1,251
The forecast done for the government of Ontario is also a 'guess'; albeit, one hopes an educated one.......

Here's Hemson's guess on their behalf:

View attachment 296479

GTAH (Greater Toronto and Hamilton) 11.17M in 2051............in 30 years.

Greater Golden Horseshoe (includes Niagara, K-W and Barrie) 14.87M in 30 years.

FWIW, I think their overall number is close, but their number for the City of Toronto is understated.

I expect the City to be ~4.2M

Even if you assume falling growth rates beyond that.....I think 50 years out, you can assume a materially higher number.
Agree on all points. Regarding the City of Toronto, it supposedly added 46,000 people in 2019. Straight extrapolations are problematic but your estimate does look better than theirs.
 

isaidso

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
May 23, 2007
Messages
1,690
Reaction score
1,251
Toronto was not envisioned to be a massive metropolis. It took off in the 70's when the banks fled Quebec and hasn't slowed down since.
Having little/no foresight is something that existed in the past, exists now, and will exist in the future. Not acknowledging that small things grow into big things is baffling yet there will always be people like this. Unfortunately, people like that (to my constant amazement) work in 'Planning'.
 

cd concept

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Oct 4, 2014
Messages
1,552
Reaction score
678
The government will be bringing over four hundred thousand new immigrants instead of over three in this country. Starting in 2021 as seen on Steve Paikin Adenda show on YouTube. And half of them will be coming to the Golden Horseshoe an extra 50 to 75 thousand more than usual. I think there might be more in some regions than the stats suggest. Eg Toronto is already over three million and could be about 3.4 million by 2031. And these specific counties like Northumberland, Simcoe, Dufferin, Wellington could add more population than the stats show. As more people will want to get out of the GTA from the intensification. Yup!!
 

Johnny Au

Senior Member
Member Bio
Joined
Apr 4, 2010
Messages
7,499
Reaction score
3,101
Location
Near the North York, York, & Old Toronto tripoint
The government will be bringing over four hundred thousand new immigrants instead of over three in this country. Starting in 2021 as seen on Steve Paikin Adenda show on YouTube. And half of them will be coming to the Golden Horseshoe an extra 50 to 75 thousand more than usual. I think there might be more in some regions than the stats suggest. Eg Toronto is already over three million and could be about 3.4 million by 2031. And these specific counties like Northumberland, Simcoe, Dufferin, Wellington could add more population than the stats show. As more people will want to get out of the GTA from the intensification. Yup!!
Townsend 2.0 anyone?

 

Top