Civdis
Active Member
I am happy they are going back to the original. Makes for a cleaner design and I would assume a lot of the infrastructure is in place to implement this design easier.
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Toronto Pearson International Airport
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Dan416
Senior Member
The alternative so unaesthetic lol. Hopefully this actually happens!
jje1000
Senior Member
Unfortunately it looks like the big arched roof is going away in the new scheme along with the curves of the original design...
But regardless, airports around North America are getting some big investments in their facilities, and choosing anything less ambitious would have diminished the standing of Pearson IMO.
Big Upgrades Coming to Major U.S. Airports
From coast to coast, some of the nation’s largest and busiest airports are undertaking major renovation projects.
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Portland of course is the new standard for airport architecture in the US IMO:
nfitz
Superstar
So the whole Pearson Union station and new hub east of Airport Road is dead then by the look of it. Or at least pushed off well into the 2040s or 2050s.
So where is Line 5 going to come in? Hopefully there's a way to integrate it into that new extension.
So where is Line 5 going to come in? Hopefully there's a way to integrate it into that new extension.
Amare
Senior Member
It's about damn time some common sense came back to the execs heads over at the GTAA.
goodcitywhenfinished
Active Member
This is great news. My only gripe is they seem to be abandoning the Safdie concept vaulted arrivals/departures hall. But as long as the floor plan is coherent with the masterplan I am satisfied.
IRT_BMT_IND
Active Member
There seems to be some very good design decisions being made here. The rendering appears to have three floors, which likely means the US preclearance area will be on its own floor, which would give a lot of flexibility for gating planes and also means the preclearance area won't feel as walled off from the rest of the airport (the Z pier at FRA with separate Schengen and non-Schengen floors works like this).
Also looks like there will be domestic/international swing gates which YYZ currently lacks and means Air Canada won't have to tow planes to the other side of the airport.
Woodbridge_Heights
Senior Member
I wouldn't say the that the transit hub is dead per say. Timeline pushed back sure. I think the biggest thing (or at least I hope) is that the passenger processing part of the plan is dropped.
In my dream the transit hub is more multi use. I envision a convention centre/hall, hotel, and offices on top of the transit facilities. Maybe even some parking. Gtaa now owns the airway centre office complex, and the international centre. Integrating these into the transit hub and freeing up that land for additional development is a no brainer for me.
Adjei
Senior Member
Ethiopian Airlines has been granted fifth freedom rights to operate from Toronto to Accra, Ghana and then onto Ethiopian. This will make it easier for West Africans in GTA and Canada to travel back home. It’s supposed to start first quarter of 2025.
www.timesaerospace.aero
Long term Air Canada also seems interested in flying direct flights to West Africa with Dakar, Abidjan, Accra, and Lagos as potential destinations.
It's Ghana be exciting! | Aviation Week Network
A new era takes flight – how Ghana is rising through the ranks as a West African aviation hotspot.
www.timesaerospace.aero
Long term Air Canada also seems interested in flying direct flights to West Africa with Dakar, Abidjan, Accra, and Lagos as potential destinations.
Amare
Senior Member
Definitely some good news to hear, Ethiopian is Africa's strongest carrier and their expansion and stability is pretty astonishing to see. It's amazing that it takes a carrier who's home base is not Ghana, to finally connect Canada and West Africa.Ethiopian Airlines has been granted fifth freedom rights to operate from Toronto to Accra, Ghana and then onto Ethiopian. This will make it easier for West Africans in GTA and Canada to travel back home. It’s supposed to start first quarter of 2025.
It's Ghana be exciting! | Aviation Week Network
A new era takes flight – how Ghana is rising through the ranks as a West African aviation hotspot.
Long term Air Canada also seems interested in flying direct flights to West Africa with Dakar, Abidjan, Accra, and Lagos as potential destinations.
As for Air Canada, they've been all talk about service to Africa for as long as I can remember. I'll continue to not take them seriously on that front.
IRT_BMT_IND
Active Member
Avgeeks on the internet have been talking about AC service to sub-Saharan Africa for almost as long as the internet has existed. I'll believe it when I see it, these are long routes that will eat lots of frames, with low yields and lots of complex security and regulatory issues. Delta has made a niche of Africa services mostly from ATL and JFK (which get feed to and from Canada), but none of the other US3 have really managed to replicate them.
Tim MacDonald
Senior Member
^this. I remember this discussion internally when i worked at AC in the late 90s.
rdaner
Senior Member
^Just one little thing that may be guiding their thinking: the number of people in the country from this area has surged over the last 10 years.
Amare
Senior Member
What's funny is that Air Canada made big claims in the past that the 787s would open up vast new frontiers in South America, Africa, and Central Europe. Frontiers that they couldnt serve since they claimed they were limited by the 767s. Yet here we are years later, big talk with empty results.
Now they are claiming that the A321LRs and A220s will open up frontiers for them to do Trans-Atlantic and Central American flights respectively. Normally i'd say it's big talk, but since Air Canada is always looking to screw their customers at every level, I see that talk as being more believable since they will be able to cram more people into smaller aircraft frames, thus saving them money. They would then be able to redeploy some of their 787s and A330s elsewhere, but where that would be is beyond me with their thought process.
Now they are claiming that the A321LRs and A220s will open up frontiers for them to do Trans-Atlantic and Central American flights respectively. Normally i'd say it's big talk, but since Air Canada is always looking to screw their customers at every level, I see that talk as being more believable since they will be able to cram more people into smaller aircraft frames, thus saving them money. They would then be able to redeploy some of their 787s and A330s elsewhere, but where that would be is beyond me with their thought process.
IRT_BMT_IND
Active Member
Maybe, but there are lots of other considerations, like:
- How many business class seats do you expect to sell.
- How many frequent fliers do you expect.
- What are the opportunities for connections vs. O&D.
- What is the opportunity cost of sending an expensive 777/787 on a long haul to Lagos or Joburg vs. somewhere else.
- Can the safety of crews on layovers be guaranteed (to the satisfaction of the crew members themselves and the unions).
- Are there security concerns from Canada regarding direct flights to some of these places (probably not as there are direct flights to the US, but not impossible either).
- Are there local political and regulatory concerns (for instance can you convert local currencies freely back to CAD - AC got burned in this in Venezuela).