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Whether it's *presently* a water park or not is irrelevant to the point of that original quote--unless you're somehow implying that "spa" = "water park". Which it isn't--though it's not like they can't coexist...
I'm not talking about presently, Therme will be a water park with some spa services, and a greenhouse. It will have a wave pool and water slides. Something I can easily see someone like Ford being interested in.
 
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I'm not sure there's any point in defending yourself to this person no matter how well you try to respond to it. You know what you said. He can think what he wants to think. We move on...

...and leading by example by placing one on /ignore if need be. I know I did.
If I'm that 'person' you're referring to, then let me be clear...when I suggested Mr. Ford was 'clearly' interested in spas in a previous comment, I was using sarcasm. Why it seems to have taken on a life of its own is beyond me. Perhaps I should have prefaced my comment with a warning quote from the late, great Brittany Murphy..."I do sarcasm really poorly"!
 
UT's own @AlexBozikovic has a good column out looking at the business case released by the province for the relocation of the OSC, in which, he more or less eviscerates same.


To me, this column is important irrespective of one's general take on the idea of the relocation and whether or not one finds the current OSC building appealing; because it simply makes clear the business case as put forward is, at best, misleading.

Simply put, it may be possible/desirable to relocate the OSC; but it probably is not, if done the way currently proposed; and it likely will not happen at the currently proposed cost/savings.

From his column, a few highlights; after which I would encourage those interested to follow the link:

In respect of the cost of the re-lo being misleading:

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I think Alex's piece rightly asks, in effect:

This will cost more than proposed; how much more?

If the OSC complex is saved, in whole or in part, who pays?

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I'm personally open to the idea that shifting the OSC may be the right call; but if so, that must be based on a fair and reasonable business case/strategy, not a a torqued one.

If retaining the OSC complex for re-use is seriously on the table, that too must be costed, and an entity found w/the willingness and means to pay that bill.
 
UT's own @AlexBozikovic has a good column out looking at the business case released by the province for the relocation of the OSC, in which, he more or less eviscerates same.


To me, this column is important irrespective of one's general take on the idea of the relocation and whether or not one finds the current OSC building appealing; because it simply makes clear the business case as put forward is, at best, misleading.

Simply put, it may be possible/desirable to relocate the OSC; but it probably is not, if done the way currently proposed; and it likely will not happen at the currently proposed cost/savings.

From his column, a few highlights; after which I would encourage those interested to follow the link:

In respect of the cost of the re-lo being misleading:

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I think Alex's piece rightly asks, in effect:

This will cost more than proposed; how much more?

If the OSC complex is saved, in whole or in part, who pays?

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I'm personally open to the idea that shifting the OSC may be the right call; but if so, that must be based on a fair and reasonable business case/strategy, not a a torqued one.

If retaining the OSC complex for re-use is seriously on the table, that too must be costed, and an entity found w/the willingness and means to pay that bill.
Let me see if I have this right.. the city just offloaded responsibility for maintaining the DVP and the Gardiner to the province and now there is a proposal afoot to pass management of the OSC(and presumably its financial liabilities) to city control? Rather than a 'shell game', I'd say it's more a case of "he who giveth, taketh".
 
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If I'm that 'person' you're referring to, then let me be clear...when I suggested Mr. Ford was 'clearly' interested in spas in a previous comment, I was using sarcasm. Why it seems to have taken on a life of its own is beyond me. Perhaps I should have prefaced my comment with a warning quote from the late, great Brittany Murphy..."I do sarcasm really poorly"!
Er...you're not. So you're good! 😺
 
If I'm that 'person' you're referring to, then let me be clear...when I suggested Mr. Ford was 'clearly' interested in spas in a previous comment, I was using sarcasm. Why it seems to have taken on a life of its own is beyond me. Perhaps I should have prefaced my comment with a warning quote from the late, great Brittany Murphy..."I do sarcasm really poorly"!
I think it was picard102 he was referring to, not you. And in fact, my referencing the K's as DoFo's hypothetical motivator was fundamentally complimenting/furthering said sarcasm.

And really, when it comes to picard102 construing my K's reference as a smear on women in general: look, you don't have to be anti-woman to snark at the banality of the proverbial "spa vacation"--heck, I grew up in the same Princess Anne Manor neighbourhood that the Fords lived in until recently, and *my own mother* would have been the sort who'd have sneered at the emptiness of the nouveau riche "spa vacation" moms & daughters around her; or if she, herself, were gifted such a thing, she'd have used it as an opportunity to have a worm's eye window on the mediocrity.

So this really is a Doug-esque "this one's for the girls" gesture. And "the girls" being nothing more than a gendered version of the "folks" or "people" he's prone to using as a benchmark--those "folks" and "people" who don't give two hoots about the Greenbelt, or about how neither OP or OSC are "your average theoretical facility" facing an "end of life" circumstance, as if they were your average sports arena or stadium destined to be imploded after such-and-such a time...
 
I think it was picard102 he was referring to, not you. And in fact, my referencing the K's as DoFo's hypothetical motivator was fundamentally complimenting/furthering said sarcasm.

And really, when it comes to picard102 construing my K's reference as a smear on women in general: look, you don't have to be anti-woman to snark at the banality of the proverbial "spa vacation"--heck, I grew up in the same Princess Anne Manor neighbourhood that the Fords lived in until recently, and *my own mother* would have been the sort who'd have sneered at the emptiness of the nouveau riche "spa vacation" moms & daughters around her; or if she, herself, were gifted such a thing, she'd have used it as an opportunity to have a worm's eye window on the mediocrity.

So this really is a Doug-esque "this one's for the girls" gesture. And "the girls" being nothing more than a gendered version of the "folks" or "people" he's prone to using as a benchmark--those "folks" and "people" who don't give two hoots about the Greenbelt, or about how neither OP or OSC are "your average theoretical facility" facing an "end of life" circumstance, as if they were your average sports arena or stadium destined to be imploded after such-and-such a time...
All I can say to that is...as someone who's never previously set foot in one, after the last few days of ups and downs re: Ontario Place and the Ontario Science Centre, I feel I could use a good spa treatment about now!😀
 
All I can say to that is...as someone who's never previously set foot in one, after the last few days of ups and downs re: Ontario Place and the Ontario Science Centre, I feel I could use a good spa treatment about now!😀
And with regard to picard102's assertion that "Therme will be a water park with some spa services, and a greenhouse. It will have a wave pool and water slides."--yes. However, the spa is the central element to the pitch. And we're talking about a modern theme-resort type of spa a la what's replaced Cullen Gardens in Whitby, not one of those old-world Central European mineral-spring places which Wes Anderson freaks love to go to. Such modern-day "package spas" are suburban-moms-and-daughters by nature--so all the other water-park features promised for Therme is by way of turning what'd ordinarily be a "mom resort" into a "family resort", sort of like the everything-else that turns Great Wolf Lodge into a "family resort" from a "kid's resort"...
 
Here's one of them
There should be one on the OSC imo... could you create that and share link
 
And really, when it comes to picard102 construing my K's reference as a smear on women in general: look, you don't have to be anti-woman to snark at the banality of the proverbial "spa vacation"--heck, I grew up in the same Princess Anne Manor neighbourhood that the Fords lived in until recently, and *my own mother* would have been the sort who'd have sneered at the emptiness of the nouveau riche "spa vacation" moms & daughters around her; or if she, herself, were gifted such a thing, she'd have used it as an opportunity to have a worm's eye window on the mediocrity.
49% of spa clients are men. The myopic view that spas are for "nouveau riche" moms & daughters is outdated.
 

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