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Kitsune said:
King was too narrow for the station boxes, that is why they choose Queen. And as to why no above ground portion along the railway ROW? They asked the community and it was a firm no, even when offered a station at Queen.
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City council chose Queen because it was the preferred by planning. They wanted to connect it to city hall and claimed it would serve underprivileged communities better. The King alignment projected a higher ridership.
 
TorPronto said:
City council chose Queen because it was the preferred by planning. They wanted to connect it to city hall and claimed it would serve underprivileged communities better. The King alignment projected a higher ridership.
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Ridership was only marginally higher. Queen is superior because King is too close to the GO corridor anyways. The walk between the two streets is insignificant anyways.
 
Did you know that 40% of the New York City Subway system is ABOVE GROUND!

From link.

800px-Nyc_subway_underground_or_overground_track_position.svg.png

Map of line elevation in relation to the ground; underground segments are in orange, and above-ground segments are in blue, whether they are elevated, embanked, graded or open cut
 
Most tourists don't know that because they don't really leave Manhattan other than maybe venturing into the nearby parts of Brooklyn, which are mostly still underground.

Also, while only 60% of the subway is underground, I wouldn't be surprised if 80-90% of ridership is underground. A huge chunk of the above ground portion of the system is the A train out to the Rockaways, which isn't a very high ridership line. Especially after the JFK connection.
 
W. K. Lis said:
Did you know that 40% of the New York City Subway system is ABOVE GROUND!

From link.

800px-Nyc_subway_underground_or_overground_track_position.svg.png

Map of line elevation in relation to the ground; underground segments are in orange, and above-ground segments are in blue, whether they are elevated, embanked, graded or open cut
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This is the case with a LOT of large subway systems.

But the problem is that people in Toronto see a map, they know their own system, and they think its all underground.
 
TorPronto said:
City council chose Queen because it was the preferred by planning. They wanted to connect it to city hall and claimed it would serve underprivileged communities better. The King alignment projected a higher ridership.
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They could also decided on it due to the "lower" stations that are roughed in.
 
W. K. Lis said:
Did you know that 40% of the New York City Subway system is ABOVE GROUND!

From link.

800px-Nyc_subway_underground_or_overground_track_position.svg.png

Map of line elevation in relation to the ground; underground segments are in orange, and above-ground segments are in blue, whether they are elevated, embanked, graded or open cut
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Note that all Manhattan lines, Queen's Boulevard, Fulton, and Concourse are in super dense areas, all run underground, and carry the most people for a reason. Of the aboveground lines, the elevated ones are the next busiest and run in areas that are not densely populated (white Plains, 7th Avenue, Astoria, Canarsie, BMT Broadway, Dyre, and Flushing). Comparing the NYC system to the Toronto system really reinforces the notion that the EWLRT should be elevated like the White Plains Road line, while the Relief Line should be built underground, at least, south of Danforth.
 
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