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at 1:10 the subway stop is NOT on the Lakeshore GO Line. Looks to be on Lake shore Blvd (of course this could all be marketing)

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^ Also note that the line does not go through the Unilever site.

I really wouldn't take this map too seriously.
Particularly as the station shown at Queen/River is shown as an Interchange station ... gosh, and a subway station at Munro and Kintyre (west of Broadview, between Queen and Dundas) ... before the subway turns north up (near) Broadview!

And the eastern section has too many stops.
No, it's the right number of stops but in the wrong places. Shown east of Queen/Yonge are Sherbourne/Queen, Sumach, East Harbour (interchange), with the line then turning north to the Queen/Carlaw station - but clearly whoever drew the map doesn't understand what they were doing, and has ended up with Queen/Carlaw closer to Munro and Kintyre, and Exhibition station south of BMO Field instead of north of the Food building!
 
Though as crazy as that map showing the stops east of Yonge is - the blow-up in the PDF does indeed show the Ontario line completely missing an interchange stop with the Lakeshore line - not even near Front/Bathurst at the old proposed Bathurst/Spadina GO station location!

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Though as crazy as that map showing the stops east of Yonge is - the blow-up in the PDF does indeed show the Ontario line completely missing an interchange stop with the Lakeshore line - not even near Front/Bathurst at the old proposed Bathurst/Spadina GO station location!

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This line truly is standalone.
 
Though as crazy as that map showing the stops east of Yonge is - the blow-up in the PDF does indeed show the Ontario line completely missing an interchange stop with the Lakeshore line - not even near Front/Bathurst at the old proposed Bathurst/Spadina GO station location!

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I guess the map/video team didn't coordinate with the MTO/Metrolinx team who put together the Figure 5 map? Or maybe they don't care and were in a rush.
 
I guess the map/video team didn't coordinate with the MTO/Metrolinx team who put together the Figure 5 map? Or maybe they don't care and were in a rush.
Appears so; look at those sharp corners as proof!

Subway trains don't turn corners the way they drew the lines on the maps. They have to curve.

I believe they are simplified "Harry Beck" style concept maps for marketing purposes. Harry Beck, known for the famous 45-degrees and 90-degrees subway maps that revolutionized subway mapping for map diagrams -- also produced other maps that are sharp corners and angles (see zig zags), and curves straightened out (unintentionally distorting Unilever). Not everyone in Toronto cares about the squiggly lines in an underground transit map, that's why they are simplified (Beck-ized) maps of straight lines -- it's marketing and aesthetics, not actual construction and perfectly exact station locations.

This map bears the various hallmarks of "Harry Beck" optimizations for an easy-on-eyes map that looks attractive to an electorate. Just look at the corners as proof of being a "Harry Beck format" marketing map, not a planning department map.

The real line will likely have various optimizations that benefit Bathurst Station and Exhibition Station, and the original Unilever location will likely still occur. Hopefully not suboptimal transfers (e.g. 100 meter underground corridor walk) but more optimized than what is seen here.

FWIW, theoretically, the actual underground subway track may actually be only 50-100 meter south of Exhibition station, with multiple exits that includes both Exhibition Station and Ontario Place (exit elevators/stairways right at the circle illustrated may only be the Ontario Place exit), with some kind of long electric moving walkway solution instead. The actual planners will be fighting over how to pull this off.

Advocates and transit groups should focus on the specific trees of this forest, to make sure that proper optimizations do happen. Some kind of a line (Relief Line, Ontario Line, Whatever Line) is going to eventually happen roughly along a similar corridor, eventually, for better or for worse. We better pay attention to the actual construction-planning maps.
 
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Presumably that announcement is nothing to do this thread or even transit looking at who is attending. I'd guess it's just an announcement about Ontario Place - as stated.

Odds are that Ontario Place’s redevelopment is the only reason this Ontario Line thing was proposed in the first place.
 
I believe they are simplified "Harry Beck" style concept maps for marketing purposes.
But what does the information that actually goes to the bidder look like? These show over 450 metres (as the crow flies!) from the Ontario Line Exhibition station to the entrance to the existing GO station - already longer than the distance from King or St. Andew stations to Union GO.

It's another 250 metres to the mainland edge of the nearest bridge to Ontario Place. It seems rather misleading if the Ontario Line ends up being at (under?) the existing Lakeshore West station, ...with about an extra half-kilometre walk to Ontario Place.
 
It's another 250 metres to the mainland edge of the nearest bridge to Ontario Place. It seems rather misleading if the Ontario Line ends up being at (under?) the existing Lakeshore West station, ...with about an extra half-kilometre walk to Ontario Place.
Who knows? It's all but certain it won't be directly underneath either "stations" indicated -- probably somewhere in between, in order to politically "claim transit connection" that leads to both dots (Exhibition Station dot and Ontario Line station dot). It might be closer to the Ontario Line station dot, or might be closer to the Exhibition Station dot.

Also, to protect for further westward extension, the Ontario Line probably will at least be slightly north of that station dot. 25 meter? 50 meter? Even that makes a difference in making a westward extension more viable/cheaper, since it will have to curve back up anyway as the line will have painted itself into a corner by having such a terminus that far south. More realistically, it could even be at least 100 meters further north of that Ontario dot, fluffed by a 50 meter tunnel, a 15 meter diagonal escalator/stairs, and a sunny treed covered 35 meter fancy walk, to padd out a 100-meter-to-dot, and then call it a "connection". Who knows how they'll politically treat it? (Note: The maze to get to Dundas subway station is sometimes more than 100 meters even if it's only 10 meters underneath you -- even 100-meter simple horizontal walk is a shorter walk to Dundas subway station south-track from Yonge-Dundas square (Even though the subway station entrance is right there -- it is quite the maze just to jump the hoops to get to the south-direction track -- over 100 meters of walking required!). Now, we don't like long walks to make a transit connection or simply enter a subway station (holy, look at the Spadina Subway Extension stations).

But (A) to save costs and (B) to claim political win on transit connection.... Naturally, whatever party (even Ford) that finally begins/finishes Ontario Line is going to jiggle things some X amount -- 10 meters, 25 meters, 50 meters, 100 meters, whatever amount, to try to make the cost and transition-connection politics work out as much as possible. One station dot will be a long walk, and the other station dot will be a short walk. Imperfectly, but definitely not directly underneath either dot pictured (Exhibition or Ontario Place) -- the budget won't quite allow either situation. The cut-and-cover cost-cut opportunity means it'll be south of "Exhibition Dot On Marketing Map". The pressure to cut TBM costs & protect for west ward extension means it'll be north of "Ontario Place Dot On Marketing Map". Cost-savings will will favour some placement south of Exhibition, but not as far south as that dot.

But what does the information that actually goes to the bidder look like?
They haven't created that map that goes to actual construction.

THAT one will be the ONE we will need to pay attention to.

You don't and this toilet-paper napkin sketch to a construction company if you're trying to save money. You'll just be paying them to fix the line alignment because of law of physics of trains not being able to turn sudden 45 or 90 degree angles without a curve.
 
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If the last stop is along Lakeshore to be near Ontario Place, rather than up at the Exhibition GO, then maybe the route should curve south between Spadina and Bathurst to allow for a stop near or just south of Bathurst & Lakeshore to serve Billy Bishop Airport. There could even be a direct underground connection from the station to the existing pedestrian tunnel beneath the channel.
 

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