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WislaHD said:
Scarborough Subway Relief Line

Relief to Users of Scarborough Subway Line

Express Relief Line for Users of Scarborough Subway
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Relief for the Unfortunate & Adventurous TTC Users of Scarborough.

Sure it will help those that do have to take the line but Scarborough doesn't have an integrated or attractive network as of yet to support this mentality and there is no economic benefits for people of Scarborough to collectively care. Its gonna take time but the Eglinton LRT and the Subway are finally steps in the right direction to provide attractive and convenient local and intra City transit to commuters. Also the RL is getting built as it becomes design ready so not sure why the desire to label it as a Scarborough project for effect. Phase 2 RL should see far more City wide support depending upon where we are in Scarborough's transit integration and growth

Unlike the opposite, Scarborough council is not opposing this project, but its straw grasping if you think their is currently collective support to see this as a Scarborough priority. Far too many residents have been deterred from Core Toronto travel for decades and not until the subway/Smarttrack is built will we see the travel patterns change enough to label this as Scarborough relief
 
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OneCity said:
Relief for the Unfortunate & Adventurous TTC Users of Scarborough.

Sure it will help those that do have to take the line but Scarborough doesn't have an integrated or attractive network as of yet to support this mentality and there is no economic benefits for people of Scarborough to collectively care. Its gonna take time but the Eglinton LRT and the Subway are finally steps in the right direction to provide attractive and convenient local and intra City transit to commuters. Also the RL is getting built as it becomes design ready so not sure why the desire to label it as a Scarborough project for effect. Phase 2 RL should see far more City wide support depending upon where we are in Scarborough's transit integration and growth

Unlike the opposite, Scarborough council is not opposing this project, but its straw grasping if you think their is currently collective support to see this as a Scarborough priority. Far too many residents have been deterred from Core Toronto travel for decades and not until the subway/Smarttrack is built will we see the travel patterns change enough to label this as Scarborough relief
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I think WislaHD was being sarcastic.
 
Say “Scarborough” three
OneCity said:
Relief for the Unfortunate & Adventurous TTC Users of Scarborough.

Sure it will help those that do have to take the line but Scarborough doesn't have an integrated or attractive network as of yet to support this mentality and there is no economic benefits for people of Scarborough to collectively care. Its gonna take time but the Eglinton LRT and the Subway are finally steps in the right direction to provide attractive and convenient local and intra City transit to commuters. Also the RL is getting built as it becomes design ready so not sure why the desire to label it as a Scarborough project for effect. Phase 2 RL should see far more City wide support depending upon where we are in Scarborough's transit integration and growth

Unlike the opposite, Scarborough council is not opposing this project, but its straw grasping if you think their is currently collective support to see this as a Scarborough priority. Far too many residents have been deterred from Core Toronto travel for decades and not until the subway/Smarttrack is built will we see the travel patterns change enough to label this as Scarborough relief
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Say “Scarborough” three times to summon Coffey!
 
The first phase should go further than Osgoode to terminate at Rail Deck Park. A major new downtown GO station needs to have a rapid transit connection. Gerard Square and East Harbour gets one.
 
Well let's hope to God that this is a Metrolinx project. For all it's short comings, Metrolinx still has pretty solid record of actually building things precisely because it's not held ransom to Toronto's petty political fights and City Hall inertia. Also if it's a Metrolinx project it will probably be a RER catenary subway. Having it built by Metrolinx means it may have a better chance of getting funding as it can be presented as being a needed regional line and not just a downtown one.

As for the naming, LA has a similar issue with it's LRT ending at downtown stations and the needing to transfer to lines continuing in the same direction so they are calling their new downtown tunnel the "Regional Connector".
 
Meanwhile in Montreal:

Valerie Plante defeated Denis Coderre to become the first woman as Montreal Mayor:

Valérie Plante elected mayor of Montreal, beating out Denis Coderre
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/quebec-montreal-denis-coderre-valerie-plante-1.4388700

Her key promise:
Projet Montréal's Pink line: Pipe dream or election game-changer?
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/projet-montréal-s-pink-line-pipe-dream-or-election-game-changer-1.4351876
  • 29km - 29 Stations from Montreal-Nord to Lachine via Downtown
Pipe dream or not, the line is needed. It goes through heavily dense neighborhoods who don't have access to rapid transit and the orange line can't really take more people as it is.

New Metro line with 29 stations would cost less than $6B, Projet Montréal says
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/new-metro-line-with-29-stations-would-cost-less-than-6b-projet-montréal-says-1.4348035

Looks good on paper, but costs difficult to predict, says McGill researcher

Meadhbh Maguire, a PhD student at McGill University's School of Urban Planning who specializes in transportation planning, said much of what Projet Montréal is proposing looks good on paper, especially its emphasis on accessibility, but much more detail is required.

"The nature of making an announcement about a project like this in an election campaign is of course that you don't really need to provide a lot of detail and you can stir up a lot of excitement," she said.

Maguire said putting the Pink line through some of the most densely populated and economically disadvantaged neighbourhoods in Montreal is "good political capital" for the party, but it also makes sense from a public transportation perspective.

"If you're going to try and recover the costs of building the line, you need to have high enough ridership," she said. "It's incredibly important."

Whether the Pink line can be built for the projected $5.9 billion is another question that Maguire said was difficult to predict.

Maguire said there are many variables that can end up influencing the price, ranging from how many companies bid for the contract to labour costs.

"That's the kind of thing that can really blow your figures into the unknown as far as [cost] trajectories go," she said.

The cost and timeline might not be realistic but there will never be a better window than now to get the funds from Ottawa.


Tory should be careful...another Valerie Plante could come out of nowhere and double down transit and beat him...hopefully.

Seriously Toronto, Don Mills to at least Bathurst should be PHASE 1. Get it build in one shot because we all know that just dividing the line in different phases means that we won't see part of it in our lifetime.

I want a candidate that emphasis that, Don Mills to downtown is phase 1. No DRL Long no Richmond Hill subway

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Cobra said:
Tory won by default... it was anything but Ford
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That line could also be used for Plante. Make no mistake, she might have an excellent plan, the demand has been there for decades, but "make it so" only works for Captain Picarde on Star Trek. There's the small problem of finance and planning ...not to mention the Relief Line has became the domain of the province.
 
ssiguy2 said:
Well let's hope to God that this is a Metrolinx project. For all it's short comings, Metrolinx still has pretty solid record of actually building things precisely because it's not held ransom to Toronto's petty political fights and City Hall inertia. Also if it's a Metrolinx project it will probably be a RER catenary subway. Having it built by Metrolinx means it may have a better chance of getting funding as it can be presented as being a needed regional line and not just a downtown one.

As for the naming, LA has a similar issue with it's LRT ending at downtown stations and the needing to transfer to lines continuing in the same direction so they are calling their new downtown tunnel the "Regional Connector".
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Just a note on Metrolinx's ability to deliver...they haven't delivered ANY projects yet. UPX is touted as coming in on budget, but overruns were lumped onto the Georgetown corridor project. And there's little visibility or accountability on how that or other projects were completed vs. original plans. Look at how some of the 'simple' parking garages have been delivered. Now the fact they're using DBFMs (and some DBFOMs) on most of the LRT lines enforces some better rigour in scoping and has stronger contractual levers for penalizing overruns, but its a leap to suggest Metrolinx is better to deliver DRL than the TTC. If it's announced as a provincially-funded project, they may be more at the table, but rightfully TTC as likely future operator (because of the interoperability) should have a major seat at the governance table even if Metrolinx is running the construction.
 
WislaHD said:
Can we even have that? A mayoral candidate that comes in and just decides "I am going to build the Relief Line from Don Mills to Bathurst, vote for me!", then gets eelcted?

It is a disruption to the planning process, even if it is a pleasant one.
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Of course we can. We've had a Transit City mayor (also the Spadina subway mayor and put forward a number of rejected requests for Sheppard money), a Sheppard Subway mayor, and now a SmartTrack mayor.

Montreal's Pink Line mayor has already killed off ready-for-funding proposals (Blue Line extension for example) and will in all likely-hood be an abandoned proposal in 4 years.

Throwing out everything in progress and making a new plan is the problem, not the solution.
 
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