salsa
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My bad. Not sure how that ended up among the search results. But man NYC builds big things!
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My bad. Not sure how that ended up among the search results. But man NYC builds big things!
nfitz
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Note the costs. About US$1.4 billion/km for the 3.2 km phase 1 with construction from 2007 to 2016.
I know Toronto isn't Manhattan ... but the 1 km of King from about Simcoe to Church doesn't look that different than Manhattan, and could have very complex connections to Union, St. Andrew, and King.
Given that the reconstruction of Bloor-Yonge is estimated at about $1 billion, I wouldn't be surprised if the Simcoe to Church section of the DRL that you mention ends up being north of $1.5B just for that stretch. It would involve a massive new downtown station with connections to King and Union, and another new platform and interchange at St. Andrew.
M II A II R II K
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Costs are not the issue in and of itself, it's whether the cost is worth it. A Billion+ dollars for interchange stations in the financial district, which doesn't include the cost of building extra lines, where those billion dollar connections are necessary.
Billion dollar Fairview Mall line which ends up being a glorified feeder route into the already congested Yonge Line is another.
Also some cities take on almost 30 billion dollar transit projects that has to negotiate around old infrastructure, already existing subway lines, and results in discovering old burial grounds which digs up history. And pioneers new construction techniques in the process.
Billion dollar Fairview Mall line which ends up being a glorified feeder route into the already congested Yonge Line is another.
Also some cities take on almost 30 billion dollar transit projects that has to negotiate around old infrastructure, already existing subway lines, and results in discovering old burial grounds which digs up history. And pioneers new construction techniques in the process.
rbt
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Recently they've only been building a few miles per century. It's gotta be big at that pace.
junctionist
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Water Tunnel 3 is impressive. It's a tunnel 100 kilometres long and up to 150 metres below street level to bring fresh water to the city.
W. K. Lis
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M II A II R II K
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Building DRL is Biggest "Big Idea" for Toronto
Read More: http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/95/building-drl-is-biggest-big-idea-for-toronto/
TORONTO July 15th, 2014 - In a random sampling of public opinion taken by the Forum Poll™ among 754 Torontonians 18 years of age and older, the most popular of the 35 "Big Ideas" for the city's future proposed by the Toronto Star, expressed as "a unique idea that you would put on the short list of ideas" is building the Downtown Relief Line, or DRL, now (52%), and this is followed in popularity by reforming city communications to improve coordination between departments and keep the public better informed (50%) and increasing development charges to pay for transit and green spaces (50%). Among the least popular ideas are adopting a regional government for the GTHA and supporting the sharing economy (20% each) and, especially, allowing city staff to pilot interesting projects without council approving (16%).
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Read More: http://poll.forumresearch.com/post/95/building-drl-is-biggest-big-idea-for-toronto/
TORONTO July 15th, 2014 - In a random sampling of public opinion taken by the Forum Poll™ among 754 Torontonians 18 years of age and older, the most popular of the 35 "Big Ideas" for the city's future proposed by the Toronto Star, expressed as "a unique idea that you would put on the short list of ideas" is building the Downtown Relief Line, or DRL, now (52%), and this is followed in popularity by reforming city communications to improve coordination between departments and keep the public better informed (50%) and increasing development charges to pay for transit and green spaces (50%). Among the least popular ideas are adopting a regional government for the GTHA and supporting the sharing economy (20% each) and, especially, allowing city staff to pilot interesting projects without council approving (16%).
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WislaHD
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Tory's campaign has now called the DRL from downtown to Pape a 'stub'.
And this guy was an ardent support of the DRL merely weeks ago....
And this guy was an ardent support of the DRL merely weeks ago....
denfromoakvillemilton
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It is a stub. The DRL should be Dundas West to the Science Centre, if nothing else to then attract suburban support. Phase 2 is Dundas West to Weston and Science Centre to Fairview Mall.
nfitz
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Tulse
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John Tory adopting politically expedient positions? That's unpossible!
WislaHD
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I don't think we share definitions of stub.
Sheppard is a stub because it has one destination (Yonge line). Sheppard would no longer be a stub IMO if it was extended to the Spadina line as it would then represent an actual east-west transit choice in northern Toronto.
DRL is not a stub because from the onset it will be connecting two destinations, Pape and downtown. Further it is an actual transit choice for people in Scarborough and East York who would otherwise be using the B-D line to the bottleneck that is B-Y station, not to mention it would be a quicker choice to say Queen station, and would relieve all of downtown's streetcars.
M II A II R II K
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It would also be a stub that has stations that are actual destinations. Unlike other stubs.
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Please.
Pape and King street most likely. So the DRL will dump people at St Andrew. That's a little too short for me.