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Tell me when this is an official plan with funding and timetables for construction,
It actually makes sense to call it what it is. It is not to relieve the downtown, it is to help people from the burbs get down here.oh wow, name changes to pander to the inner burbs. sometimes this city...
It actually makes sense to call it what it is. It is not to relieve the downtown, it is to help people from the burbs get down here.
True, but then they should have done that in the first place. Now it just looks like they are responding to complaints.
I'd call it the U2 line since it's Toronto's second U line. It has popculture appeal and also references something from the Cold War, when the original U line was built.
Hopefully they'll realize the potential of the GO lines and plan an integrated mass transit system using traditional subways and regional rail. The Big Move talks about that kind of system, but there aren't any details yet.
Yes! Please! It's so frustrating having an underused commuter rail system. There's so much potential and everyone is oblivious to it. There's no reason people should be making a 45 minute trip from Scarborough to Union on TTC when the exact same thing can be done in less than 20 on GO.
Hopefully they'll realize the potential of the GO lines and plan an integrated mass transit system using traditional subways and regional rail. The Big Move talks about that kind of system, but there aren't any details yet.
Yes! Please! It's so frustrating having an underused commuter rail system. There's so much potential and everyone is oblivious to it. There's no reason people should be making a 45 minute trip from Scarborough to Union on TTC when the exact same thing can be done in less than 20 on GO.
Something most people don't realize is that Places to Grow and the Big Move are supposed to be built out in coordination with each other. The concentration hubs for P2G coordinate for the most part with mobility hubs.That's a huge shortcoming of the Big Move plan. They place these pretty sounding Mobility Hubs but then really do nothing with them other than placing dots on a map. There is no mention of how Metrolinx + Municipality plan to leverage the Hubs through development and planning to benefit not only the Hub locally but also the GTHA as a region. Very very few of these Hubs show any planning at all and where there is they are usually in the 905 belt and not Toronto (RHC, VMC and to a lessor extent Kitchener come to mind).
Take for example the Dundas West Mobility Hub. There is Streetcar, Subway, Regional Rail, and Bus service in this area. Yet none of the documentation talks about setting out a development plan for the area. Let's say the city decides to plop 10 000 jobs (through development planning and zoning), even if 5% of those workers arrived via Go trains (most would arrive from local transit) that still is a ridership of 500 that are on the GO and are NOT taxing Union station as they get off before Union, or are freeing up capacity to other riders. Throw in some residential intensification and you create a nice little hub that both attracts and provides passengers efficiently.
It's a shame but I feel that planning and development in Toronto is so slow and conservative. Nobody wants to rock the boat and propose some significant zoning changes in order to promote hubs like these. In Toronto we just like to put dots on a map and hope that things develop organically on their own.
Well to be fair, most of the mobility hubs in the city are already densely populated and have significant growth happening already. The problem, IMO, is more that there's still no integration between GO and the TTC. Make Dundas West into a proper hub with seamless GO/TTC transfers and fare integration and it would transform how people get around the city, even if there's no intensification at all. There's a lot of demand for service that doesn't exist yet.That's a huge shortcoming of the Big Move plan. They place these pretty sounding Mobility Hubs but then really do nothing with them other than placing dots on a map. There is no mention of how Metrolinx + Municipality plan to leverage the Hubs through development and planning to benefit not only the Hub locally but also the GTHA as a region. Very very few of these Hubs show any planning at all and where there is they are usually in the 905 belt and not Toronto (RHC, VMC and to a lessor extent Kitchener come to mind).
Take for example the Dundas West Mobility Hub. There is Streetcar, Subway, Regional Rail, and Bus service in this area. Yet none of the documentation talks about setting out a development plan for the area. Let's say the city decides to plop 10 000 jobs (through development planning and zoning), even if 5% of those workers arrived via Go trains (most would arrive from local transit) that still is a ridership of 500 that are on the GO and are NOT taxing Union station as they get off before Union, or are freeing up capacity to other riders. Throw in some residential intensification and you create a nice little hub that both attracts and provides passengers efficiently.
It's a shame but I feel that planning and development in Toronto is so slow and conservative. Nobody wants to rock the boat and propose some significant zoning changes in order to promote hubs like these. In Toronto we just like to put dots on a map and hope that things develop organically on their own.