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Privateer said:
So you would rather rant anonymously on the net, and just assume it's all going to be propaganda, and not even attempt to ask them hard question? Alright then, talk about burying your head in the sand.
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I don't live in Toronto, Ontario or the country. I am a spectator and urban enthusiast. The mods are nice enough to let me vent my opinions, but obviously I have no dog in this fight.
 
Privateer said:
What's unethical about adults to free make choices about their own lives? Many thousand of people are in fact pretty responsible when it comes to gambling.

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Nothing unethical about it. They can choose to gamble to their hearts content. The point is that a casino doesn't belong in downtown Toronto. What's wrong expanding and developing Woodbine? I'd rather see a 10,000+car parking garage built somewhere with less density than somewhere were traffic is already gridlocked.
 
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Automation Gallery said:
lets have a referendum and see what all residents of Toronto have to say about it.
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We shouldn't need to resort to a referendum where the NIMBY side will always win. Have you seen some of their propaganda? "Casinos will rape your wife and give you cancer!". We should have a sensible city council that isn't afraid of a new idea because their horoscope discourages it.

I'm not a supporter of gambling by any means, but the reality is that this isn't a debate of having or not having a casino. It's a debate of building a Casino in Toronto, where it will benefit our city, or building it in Vaughn, where it'll benefit a few farmers.

AlvinofDiaspar said:
I don't find casinos unethical - but I do find CF (which is owned by the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan) involvement in the project problematic. You can't suck and blow at the same time.
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They've already invested in the Tobacco and Alcohol industries as well, so I wouldn't be worried about their ability to suck and blow simultaneously. They've already perfected it with their hypocrisy.
 
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DtTO said:
We shouldn't need to resort to a referendum where the NIMBY side will always win. Have you seen some of their propaganda? "Casinos will rape your wife and give you cancer!". We should have a sensible city council that isn't afraid of a new idea because their horoscope discourages it.

I'm not a supporter of gambling by any means, but the reality is that this isn't a debate of having or not having a casino. It's a debate of building a Casino in Toronto, where it will benefit our city, or building it in Vaughn, where it'll benefit a few farmers.
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Where has this hyperbole been expressed?

Mind you though that a casino in Toronto has a large population catchment, and larger consequences than a casino in Vaughan. These casino owners aren't really interested in tourists (they'll go to Vegas or Macau) or existing gamblers (they'll go anywhere a casino is placed), they want new repeat gamblers from the most productive parts of Toronto. That's why I prefer a resort complex at Woodbine. Close to the airport, far enough not to pose threats to restauants and theatres downtown, large enough a space to build a Vegas-scale casino, and located in a place that could see lots of benefits from a casino.
 
We shouldn't need to resort to a referendum where the NIMBY side will always win.
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I've seen the NIMBY label thrown around pretty loosely, but the suggestion that a City-wide referendum is a vote of NIMBYs must be the loosest.
 
Id say, bring it on.............Referendum on Toronto casino sought for fall ballot

City officials confirmed a referendum could still be added to the Oct. 27 election but warned there is limited time remaining to consult and give notice. Ten days notice would have to be given before any bylaw is passed and the bylaw has to be approved by April 30.

A city spokesman also pointed out that two-thirds of council would have to support reopening the May 2013 decision to reject a casino
More....http://www.torontosun.com/2014/03/12/downtown-toronto-casino-referendum-pushed-for-fall-ballot
 
Automation Gallery said:
I guess Toronto wont be having a municipal referendum regarding bringing back the casino debate?:(......Oh well, i guess Sydney Australia, doesnt seem too worried about building a casino resort
The face of future Sydney forms: The world’s greatest waterfront is taking shape as Barangaroo rises
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...005013213?nk=b74a31f188f429506225293768f3cd52

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/architect...-say-height-doesnt-matter-20140722-zvjrv.html
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Won't somebody think of the children! SOCIAL COSTS!!!!!!!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL....
 
Automation Gallery said:
I guess Toronto wont be having a municipal referendum regarding bringing back the casino debate?:(......Oh well, i guess Sydney Australia, doesnt seem too worried about building a casino resort
The face of future Sydney forms: The world’s greatest waterfront is taking shape as Barangaroo rises
http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/ne...005013213?nk=b74a31f188f429506225293768f3cd52

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/architect...-say-height-doesnt-matter-20140722-zvjrv.html
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Beautiful project - seems well thought out - really takes derelict land and brings it into the city, much like Southcore did here.

I hope the Oxford project will make as big an impact some day - but I still don't think a casino is the only way to accomplish something spectacular.
 
Indeed - and there is a certain irony of posting this in the MGM proposal thread because we all know that they have suggested something of a similar calibre as the project in Sydney.

AoD
 
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