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Tuscani01 · Jun 17, 2019

isaidso said:
I noticed the same thing. There's a lot of bureaucracy in Toronto and the culture is quite conservative relative to other places. Lets not forget that Toronto is a place that spent a crap load of money and 2 years to get a dozen food trucks on the street. Locals think it's normal but things happen at a glacial pace here.

innsertnamehere said:
It’s not that things in toronto move slower.. trust me, they don’t. It’s that mississauga’s process isn’t as public so we don’t even hear about projects until they are well into the process of approvals.

I would argue they do move faster, and it's mainly a result of the process not being as public - like you mention.

The lack of media in Mississauga means a project can sail through the planning process with very little push back from residents. It means avoiding the OMB and avoiding redesigns to satisfy community groups. By time community groups find out about a project, it's often too late to do anything about them as they've already been approved. It also helps that Mississauga's planning department isn't backlogged with projects, meaning developers can get timely approvals. In Toronto, quite a few projects go to the OMB simply because the city hasn't provided timely feedback.

The LRT was another example of something moving along without issue - while in Toronto, the idea of LRT became politicized. The media hasn't helped by giving a platform to those who want to use it as a political game.

innsertnamehere · Jun 17, 2019

Tuscani01 said:
I would argue they do move faster, and it's mainly a result of the process not being as public - like you mention.

The lack of media in Mississauga means a project can sail through the planning process with very little push back from residents. It means avoiding the OMB and avoiding redesigns to satisfy community groups. By time community groups find out about a project, it's often too late to do anything about them as they've already been approved. It also helps that Mississauga's planning department isn't backlogged with projects, meaning developers can get timely approvals. In Toronto, quite a few projects go to the OMB simply because the city hasn't provided timely feedback.

The LRT was another example of something moving along without issue - while in Toronto, the idea of LRT became politicized. The media hasn't helped by giving a platform to those who want to use it as a political game.

To say that the Hurontario LRT is without politics is a giant farce. Just not on the Missississauga side of the border.. and even then, the mayor isn't happy with Metrolinx's removal of the downtown loop.

Most development projects in Toronto don't get media attention anyway beyond development news media like this website. The Mississauga process isn't really any less bureaucratic than Toronto.. you still have design review panels, their even more extensive and technical pre-consultation process, submissions and resubmissions, etc... It operates under the same legislation as Toronto after all. Turnaround time on staff comments may be a bit quicker, but we are talking about the difference between an 18 month approval process and a 16 month approval process. It isn't a world of difference.

The overwhelmingly primary reason it seems to move faster on this board is because a thread for a Toronto project is made the day an application is made. Mississauga's projects usually aren't publicly known until 3-4 months into the process when a public meeting notice goes out, and even then full proper materials like renderings often have to wait until a staff report goes to council at the 6+ month mark or when marketing is launched.

Jasonzed · Jun 26, 2019

Kraylin · Jun 26, 2019

Different than large projects but I have built a few houses in Toronto and two in Mississauga and i can tell you the permit process in Mississauga was a lot more cumbersome than Toronto