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Tesla's can't drive fully autonomously at a high rate of speed (the autonomous system generally won't exceed the speed limit by more than 10kph). It's possible she had the adaptive cruise control set but was still steering, but most likely it was fully manual and driving way too fast.
 
That stretch has always been bumpy. I wonder why it’s only bumpy there, and not anywhere else under the Gardiner? As hawc mentioned, it seems to line up with the pillars of the Gardiner Expressway. That part is also where the Gardiner is at its tallest, since it was originally designed with it continuing straight east, and some ramps leading to the DVP go over the main road of the Gardiner, making it much taller so it can get enough clearance. The height is no longer needed as the section that continues east was removed and now it only goes north up the DVP.
 
That stretch has always been bumpy. I wonder why it’s only bumpy there, and not anywhere else under the Gardiner? As hawc mentioned, it seems to line up with the pillars of the Gardiner Expressway. That part is also where the Gardiner is at its tallest, since it was originally designed with it continuing straight east, and some ramps leading to the DVP go over the main road of the Gardiner, making it much taller so it can get enough clearance. The height is no longer needed as the section that continues east was removed and now it only goes north up the DVP.
That is one reason why that whole section of Gardiner and the Gardiner/DVP merge is being rebuilt. (Which is discussed at some length in THIS thread https://urbantoronto.ca/forum/threa...ch-all-incl-hybrid-design-2015-onwards.23915/ )
 
Went to take a look at the elaborate scaffolding being set up to accomodate the repainting of the 300-ton Atlas Crane on Thursday eve. It happened to be "golden hour" at its finest.
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Looks like a gigantic Nuit Blanche installation!
I know my opinion would probably be in the super minority, but I just haven't been able to wrap my head around that behemoth. Pictures or in person. I love the spirit of what they tried to do, but it feels out of place to me and too large for the environment they've created around it. If I picture that same spot with it and without it, I like it without much better.
 
I know my opinion would probably be in the super minority, but I just haven't been able to wrap my head around that behemoth. Pictures or in person. I love the spirit of what they tried to do, but it feels out of place to me and too large for the environment they've created around it. If I picture that same spot with it and without it, I like it without much better.
Many projects in Europe and US where they preserve old cranes in public spaces as artefacts and it always makes it more interesting.
 
I know my opinion would probably be in the super minority, but I just haven't been able to wrap my head around that behemoth. Pictures or in person. I love the spirit of what they tried to do, but it feels out of place to me and too large for the environment they've created around it. If I picture that same spot with it and without it, I like it without much better.
Personal opinions aside, there lots of examples of industrial sites and relics tuned into park features around the world. If it where my park, I would havef long removed them and have buried in some landfill memory hole off the grid. But hey, this seems to be a thing. And it's not my park. So I'll take the green space to enjoy and ponder in despite all that. And for what that's worth.
 
It has been a rollercoster for as long as I can remember. The eastbound lane has the most dramatic pitch. At one point when they took the ramp down, I thought sadly we would loose those fun bumps. Now sadly they are still there. Maybe they are for drainage but that seems a little drastic.

Huh! You could be right. I've taken that stretch of road for many years now, but maybe it's only "new" to me because I'm going westbound on it; and previously the westbound lanes were not as bumpy? Or I could just be old and senile!
 
I daydream about the rail line being elevated here (red line) so the west river bank can be naturalized below it - think junction triangle track separation.

this would add more flood water resiliency to the rail line. and it would give us more access to the water's edge from corktown common or from the intersection of king/queen/river. it would be awesome!


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I daydream about the rail line being elevated here (red line) so the west river bank can be naturalized below it - think junction triangle track separation.

this would add more flood water resiliency to the rail line. and it would give us more access to the water's edge from corktown common or from the intersection of king/queen/river. it would be awesome!


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Regrettably, that won't happen, at least in the foreseeable future. It would require elevating all of the road bridges over the Don (Gerrard, Dundas, Queen, Eastern, and that in turn would require altering the approaches to same.

The most realistic changes to expand natural space in 'The Narrows' are:

1) Remove Bayview south of Gerrard to just south to just south of Eastern. That would create several acres of potential wetland/forest habitat.

2) You could optionally push the rail corridor slightly west if Bayview were removed, but only north of King/Queen, below which it would be constrained to the existing alignment.

3) Re-align the track to the east side of the River, next to the DVP, at the same height at the current DVP (it would still flood), but this option, in conjunction with option 1 above, would allow the actual re-alignment of the river, giving it some natural curves back and providing for habitat expansion.

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Option one above requires the acquisition of the car dealership that fronts Bayview or at least eliminating its access from Bayview, but likely full acquisition to have space for re-aligning the river.

The cost is in the range of 250-750M, depending on what properties are purchased, and whether the utilities now under Bayview have to be relocated.

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Option 3, (moving the railway to the east side, south of Gerrard) also requires enlarging the railway where it currently exists on the East side, to allow for the Don Branch to be joined by the Bala as a 2-sub corridor, to the 1/2 mile bridge, and then keep the Bala locked to the DVP until just north of Pottery Road, before returning to the current alignment.

Estimated cost, without moving the river - 2B-5B

Moving the River - adding 400M-2B depending how how big of a set of moves you make, and the quality of the habitat enhancement.

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* the large estimate ranges should be vaguely accurate, bit and pieces of the above have been given cursory consideration in the past. However, none of have been seriously pursued due to cost and complexity, there has been no EA, and no detailed design, which is why there is such a wide range in the numbers.
 
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