kkgg7
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kk, you had a point when your argument was clear and focused--Toronto is not the fastest growing city in the world and its skyline is not among the tallest in the world. Your mistake was to generalize from the rate of growth in Toronto to its being mediocre/unimportant city in the context of Big World... Then, not surprisingly, you provoked references to quality of life, vibrancy, cultural, and other aspects of everyday life that people think are important too... Talking about world influence, Toronto is rated as Alpha city, with only few cities in the world rated higher... Just some thoughts.
PS CN tower was the WORLD highest for 34 years... and as far as I know Burj Khalifa is not built in your favourite Shanghai, Shenzhen, or Guangzhou.
Points taken. But again, I have some disagreements.
Urban vibrancy in Toronto, again, is only impressive in North America. I am not putting down Toronto just for the sake of argument, not only the vibrancy and pedestrian traffic in big and medium sized Asian cities beat Toronto by miles, if you have ever been there, but also many European cities have much more vibrant and busy streets than Toronto as well, and I am not talking about London and Paris. I am talking about much smaller cities such as Lyon, Nice or Barcelona. Toronto, to a large extent, is still a very car dependent city. There are way too many purely residential areas with nothing else except a Tim Hortons and a corner convenience store.
As to quality of life ... maybe so, I have reservations about this despite the rankings. For one thing, the weather drags it down a lot (although no rankings seem to consider that but it is really important); high housing prices in recent years coupled with low-ish income/high tax/high price on everything has led to reduced purchase power. Median house price stands at somewhere near $450K, when most people make $40-60K before tax. I can't imagine how high the quality of life these people can actually have, unless they have already bought a house 10 years ago, or they pretend buying products is not important at all.
Shanghai and Guangzhou are not my favorite cities. I have been to both and I consider life quality much lower than Toronto's in general, particularly for the lower income. However, I mentioned them because this post is about buildings, and in that aspect, they are a couple of leagues above Toronto. Additionally, it is naive to assume that most Shanghainese live a poor life, they don't. I have a friend in Shanghai, who has two condos totally $1m with no mortgage (yes, they bought earlier than the boom), two cars, the couple makes an after tax income of $60K per year. And they are by no means considered "rich" or "wealthy" in the city but are just middle class. In Shanghai nowadays, a $40-50K annual salary for someone well educated with 5-10 years of work experience is not surprising at all.
And speaking of "culture", Toronto may lead those smallish North American suburbs and towns, but it is silly to assume major Chinese cities have fewer cultural offering. Just because a country is poorer in general does mean it is inferior in every aspect. The country has more than a dozen different regional operas which are very popular among average folks (what music genre originated in Toronto/Canada?). Small theatres are everywhere. Those are Chinese heritage, not something borrowed from Italy or France. The Chinese watch adundant Chinese movies and TV shows, not just those made in a neiboughoring country. Art galaries are burgeoning on every corner of the city. No country can look down upon the cultural offerings of China, not even France or Italy, not to mention the Canadians.
Let's not mix things and give credit to others when they deserve. When we talk about buildings, don't do something like "so what? Quality of life is so much better in Toronto". It makes us provincial minded.
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