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[nfitz]

I have done that, several times. I live along the Bloor line. The trains are packed going towards St. George and Yonge in the AM, and nearly empty out at both transfer points.

They are packed. However at each station, lots of people get off (and on). Lots of people get off at Dufferin. And Bathurst. And especially at Spadina. And even Bay. These folks aren't heading to Union.

I'd be interested to see the numbers for St. George station to compare the travel patterns with Bloor-Yonge.

Yes, it's a shame they didn't include those. A richer dataset would be nice.

 

[JGHali]

They are packed. However at each station, lots of people get off (and on). Lots of people get off at Dufferin. And Bathurst. And especially at Spadina. And even Bay. These folks are heading to Union.

Would not many of them be heading to Osgoode and St Andrew and Queen and King?

 

[W. K. Lis]

To those who want to extend the 2 Bloor-Danforth subway into Mississauga. It will definitely cost MORE than the Hurontario-Main LRT. If there is talk about problems of funding that LRT, there is no way the 2 Bloor-Danforth extension can even be considered. The Kipling Station was designed for some sort of rapid transit other than heavy rail to continue westward. That could be considered as an alternative, and less expensive, instead.

 

[Rainforest]

To those who want to extend the 2 Bloor-Danforth subway into Mississauga. It will definitely cost MORE than the Hurontario-Main LRT. If there is talk about problems of funding that LRT, there is no way the 2 Bloor-Danforth extension can even be considered. The Kipling Station was designed for some sort of rapid transit other than heavy rail to continue westward. That could be considered as an alternative, and less expensive, instead.

IMO, the best alternative to the westward extension of Line 2 is a GO RER connection between the Toronto and Mississauga downtowns. It will be cheaper than subway, much faster than either subway or LRT, and serve same-day business trips between the two downtowns.

East-west LRT lines within Mississauga may be added, too; for more local type of service.

Hurontario LRT should be priority #1 in any case; it is the busiest corridor in the city, the design is ready, and the cost is manageable.

 

[nfitz]

Would not many of them be heading to Osgoode and St Andrew and Queen and King?

Why would the folks who got off at Dufferin, Bathurst, Spadina, and Bay be heading to Union?

 

[howl]

To those who want to extend the 2 Bloor-Danforth subway into Mississauga. It will definitely cost MORE than the Hurontario-Main LRT. If there is talk about problems of funding that LRT, there is no way the 2 Bloor-Danforth extension can even be considered. The Kipling Station was designed for some sort of rapid transit other than heavy rail to continue westward. That could be considered as an alternative, and less expensive, instead.

Exactly. The current plan is the Hurontario-Main LRT picks people up from central Mississauga and Brampton and delivers them to one of the GO stations. People transfer to the GO trains and travel to Union, and then transfer to the TTC subway if they need to get any farther. The only reason to extend the Bloor subway into Mississauga is for people who want to travel between Mississauga and Etobicoke, and there are already buses for that. Eventually Dundas Street and Lakeshore LRTs may be built to serve these people as well, however people going all the way downtown will still most likely use GO and not the subway or an LRT.

 

[gweed123]

Exactly. The current plan is the Hurontario-Main LRT picks people up from central Mississauga and Brampton and delivers them to one of the GO stations. People transfer to the GO trains and travel to Union, and then transfer to the TTC subway if they need to get any farther. The only reason to extend the Bloor subway into Mississauga is for people who want to travel between Mississauga and Etobicoke, and there are already buses for that. Eventually Dundas Street and Lakeshore LRTs may be built to serve these people as well, however people going all the way downtown will still most likely use GO and not the subway or an LRT.

Bingo. GO is a far more efficient way of handling Mississaugans traveling to downtown Toronto (anywhere in downtown TO) than an extension of the Bloor-Danforth Subway. Not only just because of the speed difference, but also because there are more GO stations already in Mississauga with a much wider catchment area than any realistic subway extension could ever have.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

Bingo. GO is a far more efficient way of handling Mississaugans traveling to downtown Toronto (anywhere in downtown TO) than an extension of the Bloor-Danforth Subway. Not only just because of the speed difference, but also because there are more GO stations already in Mississauga with a much wider catchment area than any realistic subway extension could ever have.

Indeed, and with RER, GO would be far more compelling and dramatically faster option than any single use subway extension.

AoD

 

[gweed123]

Indeed, and with RER, GO would be far more compelling and dramatically faster option than any single use subway extension.

AoD

Agreed. As long as Mississauga builds a combination of density around and good local transit infrastructure connecting to these GO stations, then they should be pretty well off.

As an aside, I think the Hurontario LRT would benefit greatly from having a 4th GO station along it's route, at the 407 & Hurontario interchange. This spur off the Georgetown sub could be built relatively easily along the 407 or hydro corridor ROW, and would give people in southern Brampton and northern Mississauga a non-backtrack option to get to a GO station. Right now, it's either a backtrack up to downtown Brampton or a long ride down to Cooksville to access GO.

This GO route could also become useful if the Hurontario LRT through Brampton gets delayed because of politics. Ending at the 407 with nothing to connect to aside from a yard and a couple 407 bus routes would be less than desirable, but with a GO station there it could become a proper terminus, although hopefully it wouldn't have to be.

 

[superman]

I think for most people in Mississauga, they're better off using some money to divert (tunnel?) the Milton line to City Centre and building proper interchanges at Kipling / Dundas West TTC. Then everyone who wants to go to Union can stay on the train, and everyone who is not can have a proper transfer between the 2 systems. Then the Transitway would be focused on moving people to north toronto - 407 RT or 401 RT.

 

[drum118]

I think for most people in Mississauga, they're better off using some money to divert (tunnel?) the Milton line to City Centre and building proper interchanges at Kipling / Dundas West TTC. Then everyone who wants to go to Union can stay on the train, and everyone who is not can have a proper transfer between the 2 systems. Then the Transitway would be focused on moving people to north toronto - 407 RT or 401 RT.

I said in Mississauga Transit 2015 budget that a new Transit Hub is require to service 125,000 riders a day for both MT and GO. The hub would be service by future GO REX, BRT, Other LRT Lines and a subway.

I am pushing 2 option at this time for GO REX.

Option 1: A tunnel coming off the Milton line around Dundas E that will support a DD train to Sq One. It would continue under 403 and reconnect with the Milton line north of the 403. Very costly to build.

Option 2: A Tram-Train using LRT equipment that would branch off the Milton Line before Hurontario and connect to the LRT line and travel to Sq One. You can use either a single level or DD. You need to build a bridge over the 403 to connect to the Milton Line. Max length will be 3-4 cars.

Both options allows for service to/from Sq One to/from Toronto or other east location only as well doing a Milton-Sq One only run. You still can do a full run.

Option 2 is the cheapest as well having it up and running sooner than the tunnel option 1. Since we are moving to EMU's, option 2 is the way to go, but it will cause operation issues 25 years down the road.

 

[dunkalunk]

I've always envisioned a branch tunnel swinging north off the mainline immediately west of Cooksville GO to travel under Palgrave Rd and terminate at Square One. Something like the following:

 

[Rainforest]

I said in Mississauga Transit 2015 budget that a new Transit Hub is require to service 125,000 riders a day for both MT and GO. The hub would be service by future GO REX, BRT, Other LRT Lines and a subway.

I am pushing 2 option at this time for GO REX.

Option 1: A tunnel coming off the Milton line around Dundas E that will support a DD train to Sq One. It would continue under 403 and reconnect with the Milton line north of the 403. Very costly to build.

Option 2: A Tram-Train using LRT equipment that would branch off the Milton Line before Hurontario and connect to the LRT line and travel to Sq One. You can use either a single level or DD. You need to build a bridge over the 403 to connect to the Milton Line. Max length will be 3-4 cars.

Both options allows for service to/from Sq One to/from Toronto or other east location only as well doing a Milton-Sq One only run. You still can do a full run.

Option 2 is the cheapest as well having it up and running sooner than the tunnel option 1. Since we are moving to EMU's, option 2 is the way to go, but it will cause operation issues 25 years down the road.

In Europe, they would go with option 2.

But in this jurisdiction, how can you envision option 2 be compatible with FRA / Transport Canada requirements for mainline rail services?

 

[drum118]

In Europe, they would go with option 2.

But in this jurisdiction, how can you envision option 2 be compatible with FRA / Transport Canada requirements for mainline rail services?

If you got 4 tracks with 2 for GO, time to change the FRA. In fact, we need to change the FRA on a number of front as they are out dated regardless moving to passenger equipment.

It time that all commuter systems in NA start going after the FRA to make these changes. A number have wavers already.

Big different here compare to Europe, our freight trains are longer, heavier and they come first. The longest freight I saw was 45 cars and 2 electric power equipment. The freight cars are short and lighter to the point they only have single axial at each end as well the coupling system. Had a tour of a freight shop in Vienna that built and repair cars as well passenger trains and would never meet NA standards. They are moving to our type of axial.

As for going under Palgrave, too sharp of a curb as well being down very deep. You will have to bypass the Cooksville GO station. One way or another, some homes will have to go to build the tunnel with some being rebuilt at a later date.

 

[Vaucluse]

Many regional rail routes operate with three and five car EMU and DMUs. I'm sure that we could handle the costs of a cross-province regional train network if we could use the lighter vehicles the European networks use, instead of the ten carriage double-deck trains that seem to be GO's desired standard.
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