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I only go to Leafs and Raptors games when I get tickets through work, and our (sometimes) generous suppliers, and yes, I cringe every time I pay $10 for an awful pint of awful beer. I can only stomach it because I'm typically there for free. On top of this, I'm almost never interested in the concerts scheduled there, meaning I'm only at the place a handful of times a year.

I suspect a competing arena in Markham would offer better concession prices, and possibly better ticket prices too. I'm obviously only guessing, but I'd imagine they'd charge less to book talent as an incentive for artists to perform in a similar, but far less recognized venue, away from downtown Toronto.

p.s., you're allowed to directly address other forum members here. Just a friendly tip.

There's nothing to suggest that they would charge less. They'll charge what the market allows them to charge, and given the negligible difference of concession prices (just look at the Fan Cost Experience index and examine realistic geographical and competitive comparables for examples) in comparison to the cost of the ticket, they have no incentive to charge less than the ACC. As for ticket costs, it seems to me they're aiming for high-end acts that can't be fit into the ACC schedule due to conflicts. Those will still be acts in high demand and therefore prices will still be high.

And the fact is, concert tickets aren't purchased rationally. For many people, price is irrelevant, especially when it comes to truly popular acts. Similarly, it goes without saying that hockey games are a license to print money in this market. I just don't see what kind of incentive this group would have to charge less for concessions and unless the on-ice/stage product is significantly worse than that at the ACC (meaning comparable to what would be found at Copps Coliseum) it just doesn't make business sense for prices to be noticeably lower.

As for addressing other members of the forum, I was too lazy to scroll up and see who wrote what they wrote. It was just a comment that quickly needed to be nipped before it was perpetuated throughout this thread.
 
Some more details from The Hockey News: http://www.thehockeynews.com/articl...arena-to-be-proposed-in-Southern-Ontario.html

It's very interesting that they have an architect and are talking about spring construction.

Campbell: Construction of NHL-sized arena to be proposed in Southern Ontario
There are a few NHL teams struggling to make money, including the Phoenix Coyotes, a team considered to be on its last legs.

There are a few NHL teams struggling to make money, including the Phoenix Coyotes, a team considered to be on its last legs. (Photo by Christian Petersen/Getty Images)
Ken Campbell

Ken Campbell
2011-11-22 23:08:00

The man who hopes to build a 20,000-seat arena in suburban Toronto has been an NHL owner-in-waiting for a number of years and is on a first-name basis with many members of the league’s board of governors, but Graeme Roustan insists he does not plan to pursue an existing or expansion franchise for the proposed rink.

But when you spend north of $300 million to build an arena in the most fertile and underserviced hockey market in the world, you’d have to think he’s taking the approach that if he builds it, they will come to him.

“The answer is no,†Roustan said in a wide-ranging interview with THN.com when asked if he will be pursuing an NHL franchise. “This facility was prepared and designed specifically as a multi-purpose center with the focus on concerts and cultural events and I have no expectations in regards to any professional sports team.â€

But make no mistake. Roustan is a hockey guy through and through. The 51-year-old native of Sherbrooke, Que., was raised in Montreal and is the chairman of the board of Bauer, the world’s largest manufacturer of hockey equipment, and was instrumental in taking the company public earlier this year. (Bauer has nothing to do with his attempts to build the arena, however.) The dual Canadian-American citizen was in the running to buy the Montreal Canadiens before a group headed by Geoff Molson purchased the team in 2009. He also turned down a chance to buy the Tampa Bay Lightning a year later and is one of the first people in the contact list of NHL owners and would-be owners looking for investors. One of his companies has been instrumental in building hundreds of arenas around the world and he is currently working with the charitable foundations for both the Canadiens and Ottawa Senators to build public-use outdoor facilities in those cities.

For the purpose of building his Toronto area facility, Roustan has formed a company called GTA (Greater Toronto Area) Sports and Entertainment, along with Toronto developer Rudy Bratty, who was once described by The Globe and Mail as, “the man who built Toronto.†Bratty is the owner of 250 acres in the northeast Toronto suburb of Markham where there are plans to build a $3-billion development called Markham Centre, which will be home to condos, office towers, retail shops and the GTA Centre arena (corporate name to follow, no doubt). Much of the infrastructure and roadwork that a new arena would require are already being planned for the Markham Centre project, which is scheduled to be completed by 2025.

Roustan is in the process of putting together his proposal, which he plans to take to the council of the Town of Markham early in 2012. If the project is approved, construction could begin as early as next spring, with a projected completion date of 2014. He has already secured the services of BBB Architects, which designed the Air Canada Centre, BMO Field and Rogers Centre in Toronto, GM Place in Vancouver and designed the recent renovations to Madison Square Garden. The group also has a building agreement with PCL, the world’s largest construction company.

The NHL knows about the project and has been in communication with Roustan, but deputy commissioner Bill Daly said in an email to THN.com there are no guarantees in place.

“We are aware (the facility) is being contemplated,†Daly said. “Yes, we have had discussions with Mr. Roustan and he has been informed that in deciding whether to proceed (or not) with the project, he should assume that no NHL franchise will be forthcoming. There is no current contemplation of locating an NHL franchise in Markham.â€

But as long as an NHL-ready building is waiting in such a rich hockey market, the rink will always be a target for a possible relocation spot for troubled franchises, of which there are many. Clearly, Roustan does not want to make the same mistake that was made by Jim Balsillie, who was aggressive in his pursuit of an NHL franchise. Roustan would be well-advised to take a page from the book the Winnipeg Jets wrote on patience and silence when it comes to charming the NHL.

Whether that means the Phoenix Coyotes or any other of the league’s troubled franchises will be on the move anytime soon to the Toronto area is open to conjecture. But this much is certain, according to those in the know in NHL circles: The league has absolutely no intention of propping up the Phoenix Coyotes beyond this season and the City of Glendale has made it fairly clear it will not be extending any more $25 million lifelines to offset the team’s massive losses. In nine home games this season, the Coyotes have had four announced crowds of fewer than 10,000 and with no serious owner on the horizon, will undoubtedly be the subject of much discussion at the league’s board of governors meeting next week.

Just reading the tea leaves here, but could the league possibly find a temporary home for the Coyotes for a couple of seasons while a suitable NHL market is found? If that’s the case, you’d have to think the Greater Toronto Area would be at the top of the list.

Even though there are no guarantees forthcoming from the NHL, Roustan plans to forge ahead with his building, saying it has already been deemed to be able to turn a profit on concerts even without an NHL tenant. The group has already had extensive talks with Live Nation Entertainment, which has about 60 percent of the lucrative concert market. When big-name acts come to Toronto, they often find themselves playing one show at the Air Canada Centre and smaller venues around Toronto after that because the arena is booked for hockey and basketball. Another large venue would give them a chance to have more lucrative shows in a metropolitan area of five million people.

Despite both Roustan’s and the NHL’s careful words, you’d have to think it would only be a matter of time before a second Toronto NHL team arrives. By placing the arena where it is, the franchise would not have to indemnify the Buffalo Sabres, but it would have to pay a sizeable fee to the Maple Leafs. The Leafs have long contended they have a veto over any franchise moving into their territory, but the NHL has disputed that notion a number of times.

Roustan did acknowledge his company would be interested in housing an NHL franchise if one became available.

“We will look at every opportunity that comes our way in regards to tenants or use of the facility that is beneficial to the community,†Roustan said.

Ken Campbell, author of the book Habs Heroes, is a senior writer for The Hockey News and a regular contributor to THN.com with his column.
 
Hypothetically, if this were true, than no team would ever be coming to Hamilton or Waterloo.

Lol, Imagine how that region would feel.
 
Hypothetically, if this were true, than no team would ever be coming to Hamilton or Waterloo.

Lol, Imagine how that region would feel.

Then those folks would have 2 NHL teams within about an hours drive, with Buffalo not that far away either.
 
Then those folks would have 2 NHL teams within about an hours drive, with Buffalo not that far away either.

Sure, I guess Ti-cat fans can also attend Argo games if they really wanted to by that logic.

Do you really think they would be feeling 'Yes! Another option to watch someone elses team!' ?

Not to mention the fact that Hamilton has been trying to get an NHL team for dozens of years, only to be passed over and over again, by markets like Phoenix and Atlanta.
 
Sure, I guess Ti-cat fans can also attend Argo games if they really wanted to by that logic.

Do you really think they would be feeling 'Yes! Another option to watch someone elses team!' ?

Not to mention the fact that Hamilton has been trying to get an NHL team for dozens of years, only to be passed over and over again, by markets like Phoenix and Atlanta.

And by your parochial attitude, everyone would need an NHL team in their backyard in order to call it their own.
 
as excited as i am to see the potential of another arena on the horizen, i am disappointed it wont be on a subway line. vcc made more sense to me. i wish they would have had the balls to build it.
 
Sure, I guess Ti-cat fans can also attend Argo games if they really wanted to by that logic.

Do you really think they would be feeling 'Yes! Another option to watch someone elses team!' ?

Not to mention the fact that Hamilton has been trying to get an NHL team for dozens of years, only to be passed over and over again, by markets like Phoenix and Atlanta.

Also of note: Hamilton built Copps Coliseum because the NHL told them they would most likely be getting an expansion franchise.. That was 30 years ago.
 
id rather the second team share the acc with the raptors and leafs. then mlse could build a stadium specifically designed for concerts. ACC is great but its configuration will never be perfect for a concert.
 
The group has already had extensive talks with Live Nation Entertainment, which has about 60 percent of the lucrative concert market. When big-name acts come to Toronto, they often find themselves playing one show at the Air Canada Centre and smaller venues around Toronto after that because the arena is booked for hockey and basketball. Another large venue would give them a chance to have more lucrative shows in a metropolitan area of five million people.

The kids will love that! A venue to go see concerts that isn't on a subway line! I remember when they tried to move the Virgin Music Festival outside of Toronto... they sold no tickets and had to move it back into the city just to get people to go to it. Most teenagers aren't driving to these shows.
 
It's currently a 25-35 minute GO bus/train ride from union.

If they extend the hours of VIVA green, it's at most a half-hour bus ride from Don Mills subway station.

Leaving from downtown, taking the subway to Vaughan wouldn't be any faster.

In future, the options would be GO Rail, GO 407 Transitway, and VIVA Green, Purple and Pink.
 

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