Toronto Forma | 308m | 84s | Great Gulf | Gehry Partners

[DtTO]

Keep it up, seriously. You appear to have incredible patience with the reactionary-urbanism types, and they just keep making themselves look worse when responding to you. Really brings out their true colors.

Yeah, Adma's generalizations are the epitome of good argument skills. He knows his audience, and making sweeping generalizations seems to bring out his supporters in droves. Speaking of bringing out someone's true colours; nothing does a better job of that than classifying all "reactionary-urbanism types" as teenagers who like shaven pornstars.

 

[Strange Advance]

I far as I'm in concern , any reduction in overall height of this project would make it totally unworkable from economical as well as aesthetical point of view...

They'll be viable economically, I would imagine, but I don't think they will be as attractive in shorter form. These towers are meant to be grand and impressive and eye-catching and irreverent. I am certainly not dazzled by this supposed star architect, and I'm ambivalent when it comes to these M-G designs, but, comparable to Trump, which original design was actually quite striking with its more proportionally apt spire, they will lose some of their lustre and appeal with a height reduction. At least in my opinion.

 

[Canadian Chocho]

Yeah, Adma's generalizations are the epitome of good argument skills. He knows his audience, and making sweeping generalizations seems to bring out his supporters in droves. Speaking of bringing out someone's true colours; nothing does a better job of that than classifying all "reactionary-urbanism types" as teenagers who like shaven pornstars.

I wonder if you believe you're being objective. In any case it's cute.

 

[DtTO]

I wonder if you believe you're being objective. In any case it's cute.

Certainly not. In order to do that, I'd have to make sweeping generalizations, like "all reactionary-heritage types are teenagers who like shaven pornstars."

 

[jje1000]

Well, thanks for trying.

Looks like you've long since made up your mind. As such, there's really no further point in trying to demonstrate to you the merits of retaining heritage and the fact that there are many excellent projects out there not diminished by a heritage component.

I have really yet to hear a convincing argument from the pro-tabula rasa crew outside of the "They're not that great" and "Let Gehry do his thing" arguments that have been repeated over and over.

 

[adma]

I have really yet to hear a convincing argument from the pro-tabula rasa crew outside of the "They're not that great" and "Let Gehry do his thing" arguments that have been repeated over and over.

Or, for that matter, for them to address the "Dr. Ford, Dr. Del Grande, Dr. Ford" point re the dissenting Council stooges.

None of which means it absitively, posolutely *won't* be a tabula rasa in the end--just that the means t/w the end will be more thoughtfully "walked through".

And, to repeat, folks--*don't* paint heritage-centric urban arguments as "marginal" when your/our own chosen sounding board is, in practice, no less so--whether from a gender-imbalance or a development-fanboy-inertia POV. And let that Council vote highlight who's *really* marginal here: the Fords and Del Grande, not the Vaughans and Wong-Tams.

 

[buildup]

And, to repeat, folks--*don't* paint heritage-centric urban arguments as "marginal" when your/our own chosen sounding board is, in practice, no less so--whether from a gender-imbalance or a development-fanboy-inertia POV. And let that Council vote highlight who's *really* marginal here: the Fords and Del Grande, not the Vaughans and Wong-Tams.

On balance Adma, I'm as much (if not more) heritage-centric than "fab-boy" as you call it in not so Christmas-like spirit. But I look at each project on its merits. In this case, I'm pro M/G.

 

[renvel]

The city block

That would be a shame if it were true...

...Other option is to live this city block ( POW theatre including) alone...

 

[adma]

On balance Adma, I'm as much (if not more) heritage-centric than "fab-boy" as you call it in not so Christmas-like spirit. But I look at each project on its merits. In this case, I'm pro M/G.

So, in the end, might be the aforementioned Vaughan and Wong-Tam, once "concerns are dealt with".

Note: I'm not addressing you so much as the archetypal bored-kid-in-the-back-seat DtTOs and E.B.'s and Big Daddys out there...

 

[maestro]

When did I mention the official plan? People complain planners are tied to some rulebook while others complain planners have too much leeway in determining a precedence. It's there job either way. What is completely ignored is that these towers are nearly twice as tall by any measurable means and that the impact of 125 plus metres is undoubtably noticeable. If that weren't the case, why do so many forumers obsess about 10 metres , for instance, with Eau du Soleil?

On the contrary, it is you who should familiarize yourself with the official plan for the entertainment district. You will see that the majority of approved developments significantly exceed the recommended density and heights of 30 to 100 meters. The height limit is absolutely arbitrary as it was decided upon when TIFF Light Box was approved (and an exception made) which significantly exceeded and continues to exceed the current zoning and height restrictions in the area. The planning dept. has used this precedent as a bench mark for all other projects and have essentially approved 27 projects that do not conform with the current official plan.
So rather than update the official plan, the planning dept. has essentially approved everything that fits this precedent to avoid having to work too hard. Adam Vaughn has been calling for studies and updates on densities for years to no avail.
I stand by what I said as it is indeed factual. Read the refusal report, look at the current developments, read the official plan....I did, you clearly did not....

 

[Big Daddy]

So, in the end, might be the aforementioned Vaughan and Wong-Tam, once "concerns are dealt with".

Note: I'm not addressing you so much as the archetypal bored-kid-in-the-back-seat DtTOs and E.B.'s and Big Daddys out there...

I'm no bored-kid-in-the-back-seat, but I am tired of reading your endless diatribe about.....nothing.

Does anyone gave any info on this project or do we have to continue reading this sort of back and forth about heritage vs city building vs starchitect etc etc etc.

Your not going to convince each other to change sides, all your doing is filling the server with useless clips of witless witticisms - trying to outword or outsmart each other day after day after day.

Can we put a code word in the main title bar so we will know when something actually about this project is posted?

 

[mistercorporate]

I'm no bored-kid-in-the-back-seat, but I am tired of reading your endless diatribe about.....nothing.

Does anyone gave any info on this project or do we have to continue reading this sort of back and forth about heritage vs city building vs starchitect etc etc etc.

Your not going to convince each other to change sides, all your doing is filling the server with useless clips of witless witticisms - trying to outword or outsmart each other day after day after day.

Can we put a code word in the main title bar so we will know when something actually about this project is posted?

Amen brother! I share your sentiments...

 

[khris]

For real!

When is this going to the OMB?

 

[AHK]

I'm no bored-kid-in-the-back-seat, but I am tired of reading your endless diatribe about.....nothing.

Does anyone gave any info on this project or do we have to continue reading this sort of back and forth about heritage vs city building vs starchitect etc etc etc.

Your not going to convince each other to change sides, all your doing is filling the server with useless clips of witless witticisms - trying to outword or outsmart each other day after day after day.

Can we put a code word in the main title bar so we will know when something actually about this project is posted?

Agree Completely. If some form of code in the title to denote actual new information is not possible - could all this endless back and forth about heritage vs city building vs starchitect etc. be directed to a separate thread that could be ignored by those who wish to do so?

 

[buildup]

Agree Completely. If some form of code in the title to denote actual new information is not possible - could all this endless back and forth about heritage vs city building vs starchitect etc. be directed to a separate thread that could be ignored by those who wish to do so?

sigh, I thought you had some news....