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Docklands. Operating since 1987. 34km network carrying over 200,000 people a day.

Still has someone to open/close the doors.

They're also certified as a driver to take over during a failure or emergency such as taking the train through a failed signal.


Both pilots can leave the pilot booth and most modern aircraft will continue to fly perfectly fine. I would say the aircraft flies itself rather than being pilotless because the pilots are still on staff and policy is that the aircraft cannot take-off without them being alert and ready.
 
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Still has someone to open/close the doors.

They're also certified as a driver to take over during a failure or emergency such as taking the train through a failed signal.


Both pilots can leave the pilot booth and most modern aircraft will continue to fly perfectly fine. I would say the aircraft flies itself rather than being pilotless because the pilots are still on staff and policy is that the aircraft cannot take-off without them being alert and ready.

Please remember that "cruise-control" on your car is NOT "auto-pilot". You cannot set cruise-control and then do something else other than driving.
 
Please remember that "cruise-control" on your car is NOT "auto-pilot". You cannot set cruise-control and then do something else other than driving.

I'm sorry I don't understand. Are you saying the DLR does have an operator or that it does not have an operator?
 
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Lest we forget, there will be through service at Kennedy via all day GO service along the Stouffville line. The way I see it, Kennedy will become a hub for Scarborough: Those heading to midtown will take the Eglinton LRT, those heading to Yorkville will take the Danforth subway, those heading downtown will take the GO train south, those heading to northwest Scarborough will take the GO train north, and those heading to northeast Scarborough will take the SRT. Hopefully some much needed intensification will occur around the station, so that it can become a destination rather than just a transfer point.

Anyways, looks like we may be waiting a little longer than expected before we get our Eglinton LRT:

TTC warns more time needed on Eglinton LRT construction

A panel of leading North American transit and construction experts is casting doubt on the province’s ambitious promise to complete the Eglinton LRT by 2020 using a public-private partnership.

That schedule “seems unrealistic,” according to a committee assembled by the American Public Transit Association at the request of the TTC.

Its preliminary report will be part of a long-awaited update about the four Toronto LRT projects at the Toronto Transit Commission meeting on Wednesday.

The TTC’s role in managing construction of LRTs on Eglinton, Finch, Sheppard and the Scarborough RT has been simmering for about two years, since Metrolinx put Infrastructure Ontario in charge of building the provincially funded $8.4-billion projects.

Although the TTC has a consultative role and is expected to operate the lines, including Eglinton when it opens in 2020, its managers say they have no real authority over how the project is built and fear they will be on the hot seat for community complaints they can’t solve.

“What’s the TTC going to do? We’re going to man the community offices to clean the blood off the floor,” said one senior official, who acknowledged that no matter who is in charge, a certain amount of community disruption is inevitable.

TTC chair Karen Stintz said it’s not clear what role, if any, the TTC has during construction.

“If we’re going to operate this line and sign off on safety we don’t want to get to the end and find out there are all these problems,” she said.

“We know we’re the operator. But do we have a role in the (community) consultation process? We have until now,” she said.

TTC officials say the American Public Transit Association review validates their position that they need more say and the job needs another two or three years.

“The TTC has to have a major influence, role and authority,” the panel reported.

But Metrolinx CEO Bruce McCuaig said the TTC already has a key role.

“The way they’re defining their role — and I’d like to emphasize this is the way they’re defining their role — is that they’re positioned as the operator. . . . In the construction phase they will be signing off on some critical design elements — for example, the interchange stations because they will have to be so much integrated in the existing subway station at Kennedy for example.”

The TTC, points to the transit association’s finding that, the 2020 schedule “appears overly aggressive when considering the need to stage construction . . . especially for the Eglinton line.”

Metrolinx officials agree it’s an aggressive timeline.

“Our objective is 2020. We think it’s achievable. We recognize it’s a tight schedule. We’ll get clarity on whether our partner believes they can deliver to that schedule,” said McCuaig.

Even when the TTC was leading the projects, public-private contracts were part of the scenario to build maintenance and storage facilities and the SRT.

But then the government gave the lead to Infrastructure Ontario, which it maintains has a good record of bringing projects in on time and on budget, although most of that is based on building courthouses and hospitals.

“Their feeling is that the TTC is committed to its old way of doing business,” said Stintz. But that’s not the case.

How the contracts are structured, how much of Eglinton is torn up at the same time and who answers community concerns about that, are the issues, said Stintz.

http://www.thestar.com/news/transpo...more-time-needed-on-eglinton-lrt-construction
 
Still has someone to open/close the doors.

They're also certified as a driver to take over during a failure or emergency such as taking the train through a failed signal.

OK, you got me. Of the 17 systems I listed (still not all in the world), ONE still keeps a staff member on board to close the doors. (And there are no "signals" as the DLR uses a moving block system.)

What of the rest? Paris? Vancouver? Copenhagen? Are these dangerous or unreliable systems without a staff member on board?
 
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It is the union. I understand the need to fight slashing jobs, but with the SRT and Eglinton Line, those jobs didn't previously exist. So the union here insists on creating jobs that may not be necessary.
 
Elevating the eastern part of Eglinton might be more expensive but makes more sense economically in the long term by having no drivers on the trains.

That's really too bad.

Oh, BTW, those line belongs to Metrolinx. They could have easily made the SRT merging with Eglinton driverless by removing those line from the TTC.

Metrolinx is truly cluless
 
Elevating the eastern part of Eglinton might be more expensive but makes more sense economically in the long term by having no drivers on the trains.

That's really too bad.

Oh, BTW, those line belongs to Metrolinx. They could have easily made the SRT merging with Eglinton driverless by removing those line from the TTC.

Metrolinx is truly cluless

OK, while I agree with you about the merits of driverless trains from an economic standpoint, I don't think you will ever recoup the costs of not hiring additional drivers by spending the extra billions elevating the Scarborough portion of the LRT.

That's not to say that we shouldn't grade separate (or use a heavier technology on) the entire Eglinton line, but that we shouldn't use labour savings from not hiring drivers as our justification.
 
OK, while I agree with you about the merits of driverless trains from an economic standpoint, I don't think you will ever recoup the costs of not hiring additional drivers by spending the extra billions elevating the Scarborough portion of the LRT.

That's not to say that we shouldn't grade separate (or use a heavier technology on) the entire Eglinton line, but that we shouldn't use labour savings from not hiring drivers as our justification.

To add to your comment, why Metrolinx would give up on the MOU version of Scarborough-Eglinton crosstown that would have had double the ridership is truly puzzling to me....
 
To add to your comment, why Metrolinx would give up on the MOU version of Scarborough-Eglinton crosstown that would have had double the ridership is truly puzzling to me....

It's only doubled because the eastern leg of the Danforth line would get cleared out.
 
It's only doubled because the eastern leg of the Danforth line would get cleared out.

and off course in Toronto a succesful line always needs to be over capacity to call it viable...:rolleyes:

Off course in the next 25 years, Danforth Ave and Bloor st will never have an increase in population and density...:rolleyes:
 
and off course in Toronto a succesful line always needs to be over capacity to call it viable...:rolleyes:

Off course in the next 25 years, Danforth Ave and Bloor st will never have an increase in population and density...:rolleyes:

The eastern end of the Danforth line is boxed in by the lake. It's the same reason why they didn't want to build a Queen line out to the east end.

Also please stop making the mistake of believing that a few small condo buildings at a station brings in anything more than a pittance of trips.
 
Splitting the SRT and Eglinton lines is a mistake, in my opinion.

It utterly confounds me that the TTC doesn't even look into elevating the non-tunnelled portion of Eglinton
 
Splitting the SRT and Eglinton lines is a mistake, in my opinion.

It utterly confounds me that the TTC doesn't even look into elevating the non-tunnelled portion of Eglinton

If the east end of the Danforth line becomes inadequate in 25 years, Eglinton east can be upgraded as a Danforth Relief Line. Seems logical.
 
OK, you got me. Of the 17 systems I listed (still not all in the world), ONE still keeps a staff member on board to close the doors. (And there are no "signals" as the DLR uses a moving block system.)

What of the rest? Paris? Vancouver? Copenhagen? Are these dangerous or unreliable systems without a staff member on board?

If I'm not mistaken, in addition to London, Montreal is automated and keeps drivers on the trains. Same goes for the automated line in New York City.

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Splitting the SRT and Eglinton lines is a mistake, in my opinion.

It utterly confounds me that the TTC doesn't even look into elevating the non-tunnelled portion of Eglinton

I think the reason behind not through running is to keep crowding under control on the Yonge line. If the Eglinton line was connected to the Scarborough line, you would probably get a lot of people who are heading downtown staying on the train to Yonge, creating a scenario where those getting on between Davisville and Rosedale would have no hope in hell of getting into a train.

As I said earlier, this gives people choice. All of the rail lines radiating from Kennedy will have a purpose and go somewhere, unlike now where the SRT is nothing more than an extra transfer between two points. The new Kennedy station with its various transit lines looks far more appealing than what is in store for Don Mills station, which looks to simply repeat the same mistakes found at Kennedy today (the fact that the Sheppard subway will act as a middle man transfer between two points, not the complexity of the transfer).

I will agree that elevating the east end of Eglinton would have been a great way to bring grade separated transit to Scarborough at a reduced cost. At the very least, they should have kept the stop spacing the same as in the MOU (800m vs 400m) regardless of what grade it operates on.
 

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