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[Northern Light]

Eglinton Crosstown LRT trains running again after pause in testing, transportation minister says

The Star reported earlier this week that on Oct. 16, two trains collided in the Mount Dennis train yard, leading to a pause in the revenue service test, according to a source who spoke on condition of anonymity.

www.thestar.com

TY for posting.

I will highlight one bit to see if it elicits comment publicly or privately:

caused by human error.

 

[PL1]

I note Sakaria's use of "we" and "our" (referring to the government) when talking about delivery of the crosstown project. I guess if they want to claim the laurels for finishing this, they'll also have to wear the goat horns when bad things (e.g. delays and human error) happen....

 

[EYorker]

Took a drive along Eglinton between Pharmacy and Leslie this morning around 7:30 am. Not one train spotted on the line in this stretch.

 

[Metroscapes]

I note Sakaria's use of "we" and "our" (referring to the government) when talking about delivery of the crosstown project. I guess if they want to claim the laurels for finishing this, they'll also have to wear the goat horns when bad things (e.g. delays and human error) happen....

When it's convenient. The Finch press release goes out of its way to highlight "delays surrounding the construction of the ECLRT, which began construction under the previous government in 2011".

 

[EllaW]

I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but despite this announcement, there were no trains running on the Eglinton above ground tracks this morning as far as I could tell.

 

[TOtramz]

I’m sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but despite this announcement, there were no trains running on the Eglinton above ground tracks this morning as far as I could tell.

I wonder if there will be trains running later today.
If there's actually no testing for a few more days, I find it really reckless and damaging that the government would lie about something that is so easily verifiable

 

[RS1]

I wonder if there will be trains running later today.
If there's actually no testing for a few more days, I find it really reckless and damaging that the government would lie about something that is so easily verifiable

The other possibility is that they didn't lie and there's now some other issue that has paused testing (again).

 

[stevensontransit]

Took a drive along Eglinton between Pharmacy and Leslie this morning around 7:30 am. Not one train spotted on the line in this stretch.

maybe try check it again this afternoon and the weekend

 

[cplchanb]

TY for posting.

I will highlight one bit to see if it elicits comment publicly or privately:

caused by human error.

so it was indeed somebody daydreaming.... thank god it was that instead of another software glitch.

 

[A 6264]

TY for posting.

I will highlight one bit to see if it elicits comment publicly or privately:

caused by human error.

Well, I'll give my commentary.
Imagine the people running the project, do testing on the line, running empty trains along it for 2 and a half years, to verify that everything is perfect, and nothing wrong will happen when the line opens.
Imagine the line finally opens, and within the first few months numerous problems occur. Collisions, a derailment, a mix of human error and system error.
Imagine each problem is fixed as it happens. Now and then, shuttle buses run in place of the trains for a few hours.
If it's serious, they may halt the line for a day. But it's not permenant, they don't give up and shut down the line unnecessarily for an extended period.
Just like they do on all the other lines. Life goes on.
And then we may look back and wonder if the 2 and half years of testing was ever needed.

 

[marko16]

Well, I'll give my commentary.
Imagine the people running the project, do testing on the line, running empty trains along it for 2 and a half years, to verify that everything is perfect, and nothing wrong will happen when the line opens.
Imagine the line finally opens, and within the first few months numerous problems occur. Collisions, a derailment, a mix of human error and system error.
Imagine each problem is fixed as it happens. Now and then, shuttle buses run in place of the trains for a few hours.
If it's serious, they may halt the line for a day. But it's not permenant, they don't give up and shut down the line unnecessarily for an extended period.
Just like they do on all the other lines. Life goes on.
And then we may look back and wonder if the 2 and half years of testing was ever needed.

I agree with your commentary however the testing is being done so that absolutely no issues occur when the line opens. I believe that the last 2 and a half years of testing were not done to make the line fully safe and reliable, but to avoid accountability. If the line were to open and have issues like you said then there would be a public inquiry and that would expose the incompetence going on in Metrolinx and would call for a change in leadership. This way, they can test the line forever and no public inquiry will ever happen. The line will eventually open and operate with zero issues for a couple of years and this whole story will blow over and there will be no accountability or inquiries.

 

[A 6264]

I agree with your commentary however the testing is being done so that absolutely no issues occur when the line opens. I believe that the last 2 and a half years of testing were not done to make the line fully safe and reliable, but to avoid accountability. If the line were to open and have issues like you said then there would be a public inquiry and that would expose the incompetence going on in Metrolinx and would call for a change in leadership. This way, they can test the line forever and no public inquiry will ever happen. The line will eventually open and operate with zero issues for a couple of years and this whole story will blow over and there will be no accountability or inquiries.

Thanks for your response. I do think the long, long, opening process was mostly dictated by things like insurance contracts. I hope the government realizes how wrong this is, and takes steps to reform, and not make the same mistakes in future projects.

 

[livesquid]

When will substantial completion be completed? Only when it's substantially complete and no sooner.

In the meantime, abundance of caution levels continue to be abundant (but cautious).

 

[EllaW]

maybe try check it again this afternoon and the weekend

Still nothing running as of 4 pm today

 

[TOtramz]

Still nothing running as of 4 pm today

So either the minister
1) straight up lied to make the situation seem better
2) was fed incorrect information from MX and testing is actually not supposed to start for another few days
3) just doesn't know how to communicate properly without obfuscating for obscuring details til they become meaningless

who knows at this point.... Open invite for those with insider scoops to chime in