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[smallspy]

cant they run on manual control in the tunnels until they can transition in the fix if it is indeed a bug? why must they rely on ATO in the tunnels? run it like they do at queens quay.

Visibility is not nearly as good in a tunnel as it is outside. It's much harder to gauge stopping distances, for instance. So yes, you need signals to safely operate in the tunnels.

And while there is a degraded manual mode for emergencies, much like on the subway system it's not really useful for running any significant revenue service.

Less than 10 years ago I was on a PCC car on Carlton. It was during rush hour, and I presumed they had a few old cars for when extra are needed. Or was I dreaming?

10 years ago? No, you didn't. 30 years ago, perhaps.

The TTC has not used any of the the PCCs in revenue service since the end of 1995s. Their last days of revenue service were on Carlton, as they'd been booted off of Queens Quay due to noise complaints. All but the two kept for the historical fleet were sold off by the end of the next year.

They have had them out for publicly-accessible special events from time-to-time, but they would not have been used in regular revenue service.

Dan

 

[A 6264]

10 years ago? No, you didn't. 30 years ago, perhaps.

The TTC has not used any of the the PCCs in revenue service since the end of 1995s. Their last days of revenue service were on Carlton, as they'd been booted off of Queens Quay due to noise complaints. All but the two kept for the historical fleet were sold off by the end of the next year.

They have had them out for publicly-accessible special events from time-to-time, but they would not have been used in regular revenue service.

Well the reply at the top of page seemed to confirm they do (or did) have some. I remember it being about 6 years ago, not long before the first covid hit. I could have predicted I'd get both yes and no answers to my question. Thanks for your reply.

 

[Steve X]

Well the reply at the top of page seemed to confirm they do (or did) have some. I remember it being about 6 years ago, not long before the first covid hit. I could have predicted I'd get both yes and no answers to my question. Thanks for your reply.

I think you remembered the CLRV that ran on the 506 till their retirement. The PCC offers a different riding experience. A much more squeaky mechanical sounding ride.

 

[Northern Light]

Well the reply at the top of page seemed to confirm they do (or did) have some. I remember it being about 6 years ago, not long before the first covid hit. I could have predicted I'd get both yes and no answers to my question. Thanks for your reply.

While noting that we are a bit off topic here..............

My best effort at an answer.

The last schedule PCC Regular Revenue Service run was indeed December 8th, 1995.

However, they did run as part of summer service on 509 Harbourfront, as late as summer 2017.

@smallspy would know which devision they were based out of , and whether they ran in to or out of service via Carlton.

The final run for any CLRV streetcar in regular service was also in December and pre-Covid it came on December 29th, 2019.

The last ALRV was retired that same year in September.

 

[APTA-2048]

Well the reply at the top of page seemed to confirm they do (or did) have some. I remember it being about 6 years ago, not long before the first covid hit. I could have predicted I'd get both yes and no answers to my question. Thanks for your reply.

Both users are actually saying the same thing. After PCC service ended, two cars were kept. They used to go out for special events. I believe 2018 was the last one to celebrate 80 years of PCCs in Toronto. The route did not travel along Carlton and it wouldn’t make sense for them to do so to head back to the division.

TTC invites you on a sentimental streetcar journey

</p> <p>This Sunday, the TTC recognizes the 80th anniversary of the PCC streetcar in Toronto by taking one of its two vintage Red Rocket streetcars out for a ceremonial ride downtown.</p> <p>PCC streetcars first entered service in the city on Sept

www.ttc.ca

 

[A 6264]

I think you remembered the CLRV that ran on the 506 till their retirement. The PCC offers a different riding experience. A much more squeaky mechanical sounding ride.

It's likely that's what it was, and I'm wrong again!

 

[Civdis]

As this thread was the most recent place to see discussion of the Allen/Eglinton intersection, and the need to alter/mitigate it............ I will place this here.

A report to next week's Infrastructure and Environment Ctte updates the issue and notes that the department is the process of hiring an engineering consultant (they could model this themselves, but I digress)....
to study the options. They will report back in Q2 2026 to the Ctte.

https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2025/ie/bgrd/backgroundfile-259436.pdf

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I will flag some people who may have thoughts, @innsertnamehere , @reaperexpress , and @TwoWheelPoli come to mind, I will also post a link to this thread over in the Cycling thread given the impacts this intersection is having on cycling on Eglinton.

Build the Allen Tunnel to the Gardiner . Intersection problem solved!

 

[crs1026]

The TTC has not used any of the the PCCs in revenue service since the end of 1995s. Their last days of revenue service were on Carlton, as they'd been booted off of Queens Quay due to noise complaints. All but the two kept for the historical fleet were sold off by the end of the next year.

Small nitpick - as per November and December 1995 UCRS Newsletter reports, the cars were removed from service prematurely in October 95 but then reinstated on the 504, 505, and 506 routes. The official last in-service run was indeed a 506 car, but there were also a celebratory run for officials along King and Queen and a charter run that went to St Clair. .

- Paul

 

[evandyk]

It's likely that's what it was, and I'm wrong again!

It's 100% a CLRV. Those slowly disappeared as the new ones all came online, and the last one being around 2019 matches my memory as well.

I've lived in Toronto since 2001 and have seen the PCC once or twice on "ceremonial" occasions. If they were running regularly on Harbourfront in the 2000s, I never saw it.

PCC

vs CLRV

 

[innsertnamehere]

PCCs ran on sundays on Queens Quay about 10 years ago from what I recall.

 

[evandyk]

Yeah, this was linked in the streetcar thread (which is probably the better place for this discussion).

You can ride a vintage TTC streetcar for free this summer | News

Starting May 21 and every Sunday until Labour Day, you can experience the vintage TTC streetcar on the 509 Harbourfront Route.

dailyhive.com

 

[Allandale25]

Eglinton Crosstown news in the Finch West LRT news release.

The Eglinton Crosstown Light Rail Transit (ECLRT) is currently undergoing its own RSD. Upon successful completion of the RSD, the ECLRT will also be turned over to the TTC in preparation for the launch of passenger service.

In response to the delays surrounding the construction of the ECLRT, which began construction under the previous government in 2011, the current government has made a number of changes to cut red tape, speed up and bring predictability to the construction of transit projects, including the Finch West LRT, which began construction in 2019. These changes, which are helping the government deliver the largest expansion of public transit in North America, include:

• Using simpler, proven signal and power systems from other LRT projects to reduce design complexity and technical risk, making delivery, testing and commissioning smoother.
• Working collaboratively with building partners to identify critical funding for testing and commissioning and ensuring claims and legal barriers do not impact this process.
• Onboarding the maintenance provider earlier in the process to ensure the fleet and line are ready for service sooner.

On November 16, 2025, the government will open the Mount Dennis GO and UP Station, connecting riders to GO Transit’s Kitchener Line and UP Express. In addition, Eglinton West Station will also open its fare-free underground pathway under Eglinton Avenue West, which will substantially reduce congestion at the intersection of Eglinton Avenue West and Allen Road and help pedestrians safely navigate the intersection. The ECLRT stations at Mount Dennis and Eglinton West will open to the public along with the rest of the line at a later date, at which point Eglinton West Station will be renamed Cedarvale Station.

 

[ElrondHubbard]

Eglinton Crosstown news in the Finch West LRT news release.

I wasn’t aware they were planning to open the underground pedestrian access at Eglinton West regardless of the LRT opening. Anything, anything at all that decongests that intersection can only be a good thing.

As I read it, the date for that is November 16, same date they open Mount Dennis. Should we take that to be the best-case opening date for the LRT? I hardly dare to cross my fingers.

 

[TOtramz]

I wasn’t aware they were planning to open the underground pedestrian access at Eglinton West regardless of the LRT opening. Anything, anything at all that decongests that intersection can only be a good thing.

As I read it, the date for that is November 16, same date they open Mount Dennis. Should we take that to be the best-case opening date for the LRT? I hardly dare to cross my fingers.

I think there's too many days left in the RSD to open Eglinton in November at this point unfortunately......

But Finch West could certainly open by Nov 16

 

[adHominem]

As I read it, the date for that is November 16, same date they open Mount Dennis. Should we take that to be the best-case opening date for the LRT? I hardly dare to cross my fingers.

The press release explicitly says the LRT stations will open "along with the rest of the line at a later date", so no, the LRT opening on the 16 seems very, very unlikely.