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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

Steve X said:
I highly doubt that will happen. If it does, good. That means people are flocking to transit.

Meanwhile they could be creative like every other train would run with 3 cars. They can also short turn every other train or every third train providing more service on the busiest portion.
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We need less short turns, not more.

There is nothing wrong with running half-empty trains terminus-to-terminus; short turning has always been the cheaper alternative to just running more vehicles.
 
fanoftoronto said:
Something doesn't jive very well with the articles that I was able to find. The first test train only arrived in 2019 according to this article:
Bombardier delivers first LRV for Eglinton Crosstown, on track for TTC streetcar delivery

Here is another article that states that the first test vehicle was sent to Kingston ON in Nov-2016 for testing. Please note that this is just testing and validation, not delivery to Toronto. Delivery was in 2019 as shown above.
Bombardier sends Eglinton Crosstown, Finch West LRT test car to Kingston, Ont. for trials

And this article mentions that by Mar-2020, Bombardier only manufactured 30 LRVs with only 2 being accepted by Metrolinx.
Metrolinx quietly agreed to pay Bombardier $40M more for LRT vehicles

So a majority of the vehicles were built less than 5 years ago? Don't know where the 10 years old comment comes from.
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Considering TBMs were still in the ground ten years ago (2015), it'd have been mighty premature for the MX to start taking on rolling stock.
 
RGB_11 said:
Eglinton LRT trains are 10 years old.
"“These vehicles are 10 years old, they’re only just now beginning to run the kilometres intended for revenue service, and as we do that, we find out what their maintenance profile is. We get a better picture of how to keep them in service so that we can build the availability of vehicles to a level that can meet the capacity.”"
SOURCE:
toronto.citynews.ca

Eglinton Crosstown LRT vehicle 'availability and reliability' latest issue to face line before launch

Metrolinx CEO Michael Lindsay said crews are figuring out the 'maintenance profile' of the 10-year-old Eglinton Crosstown LRT vehicles.
toronto.citynews.ca toronto.citynews.ca
(The Finch LRT trains are from 2021)
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So the MX CEO doesn't know what he is talking about? I am shocked, shocked ...:eek:
 
zang said:
Considering TBMs were still in the ground ten years ago (2015), it'd have been mighty premature for the MX to start taking on rolling stock.
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well they werent expecting the delays to be 5 years so had they stuck with the original schedule it wouldve been the ideal timing instead of them being parked outdoors exposed to the elements for years.
 
RGB_11 said:
They were not made in 2019 though. They sat around for a bit before being shipped out.
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The first couple of units, maybe, but not the whole of the order.

The last cars were delivered in 2022, why would they have been built more than 3 years before but left at BBD for a while instead of being shipped with the initial cars in 2019? It doesn't make any sense.

No, the simplest answer is also the true one: the Metrolinx CEO has no idea what he's talking about. That's a fairly common thread among CEOs.
 
T3G said:
The first couple of units, maybe, but not the whole of the order.

The last cars were delivered in 2022, why would they have been built more than 3 years before but left at BBD for a while instead of being shipped with the initial cars in 2019? It doesn't make any sense.

No, the simplest answer is also the true one: the Metrolinx CEO has no idea what he's talking about. That's a fairly common thread among CEOs.
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To be fair to him he has only been head of metrolinx for a few months, before that he was at Infrastructure Ontario.
Although the folks at IO would probably know a few or 2 about how the train deliveries are going but...........
 
TOtramz said:
To be fair to him he has only been head of metrolinx for a few months, before that he was at Infrastructure Ontario.
Although the folks at IO would probably know a few or 2 about how the train deliveries are going but...........
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Sure, but as the CEO, I would hope that he has the intellect and the means to, you know, do some basic research before making a provocative soundbite to the press.
 
T3G said:
Sure, but as the CEO, I would hope that he has the intellect and the means to, you know, do some basic research before making a provocative soundbite to the press.
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He probably knows that the originally few were 10 years old but in order to make the announcement more authentic, he lied.
 
fanoftoronto said:
So a majority of the vehicles were built less than 5 years ago? Don't know where the 10 years old comment comes from.
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The majority were completed less than 5 years ago. But when did assembly start? Aren't the cockpits built in Europe? I doubt they suspended production on them, which I believe started 10 years ago.

Who knows how long some of the completed sub-assemblies had been sitting in bins before they were finally assembled together in Kingston, 5 years ago.
 
nfitz said:
The majority were completed less than 5 years ago. But when did assembly start? Aren't the cockpits built in Europe? I doubt they suspended production on them, which I believe started 10 years ago.

Who knows how long some of the completed sub-assemblies had been sitting in bins before they were finally assembled together in Kingston, 5 years ago.
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Are the drivers' booths really called cockpits? (Slowest moving cockpits ever?)
 
nfitz said:
The majority were completed less than 5 years ago. But when did assembly start? Aren't the cockpits built in Europe? I doubt they suspended production on them, which I believe started 10 years ago.

Who knows how long some of the completed sub-assemblies had been sitting in bins before they were finally assembled together in Kingston, 5 years ago.
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You're definitely correct, but it also depends on the components that were built between 2015 and 2020. Also depends on storage conditions tho this may be questionable given Bombardier.

Wheels, brakes, electronics, mechanical components may be a problem due to rust, oxidation, humidity, etc. Again, proper climate controlled storage can prevent any potential issues.

But if they built all the seats, poles, plastic finishes and had them chilling on a shelf it wouldn't matter to the overall life of the vehicle.

It's definitely disingenuous for the Metrolinx CEO to call the LRVs as 10 years old when they were only delivered between 2020 and 2022.

It's like driving a car brand new off the lot and calling it 3 years old just coz the dashboard and the seat springs where manufactured 3 years ago.
 
nfitz said:
The majority were completed less than 5 years ago. But when did assembly start? Aren't the cockpits built in Europe? I doubt they suspended production on them, which I believe started 10 years ago.

Who knows how long some of the completed sub-assemblies had been sitting in bins before they were finally assembled together in Kingston, 5 years ago.
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The pilot car was completed by the end of 2016. A second car was completed in 2017. Production started in 2018.
 
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