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Toronto Eglinton Line 5 | ?m | ?s | Metrolinx | Arcadis

Leo_Chan said:
I don't understand how anything that changes with the LRV will make any difference to the delivery of streetcars. If the LRVs for CT and FW are delayed due to specifications changing, then where is the connection with the slow delivery of streetcars for Toronto. Does Bombardier have some dislike for Ontario?
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I think it's just metrolink looking for any excuse they can so they can drag their feet even more or they have to admit that they fucked up on their timelines and should have changed them when projects got canceled/ delayed.
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
I think it's just metrolink looking for any excuse they can so they can drag their feet even more or they have to admit that they fucked up on their timelines and should have changed them when projects got canceled/ delayed.
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Interesting theory. I wouldn't rule out some political manoeuvering. Maybe for the reason you mention. Remember last year's upside-down bridge fiasco? Metrolinx vetted the AG report, agreeing 100% that the contractor screwed up big time and that they saved the day. All the while the company got dragged through the mud and reamed by the public and media. Well turns out the story wasn't true, and a month later (when things blew over) Aikins admitted to this and apologized. There was definitely something going on there. Maybe a lie at the expense of others is deemed better than the truth about themselves?
 
BBD is trying to protect the 10 of millions it has invested in Thunder Bay, Kingston and elsewhere to fix its screw up with its Mexico Plant. Its also trying to save face so it can sell its cars in NA.

Its has been odd from day one as where would Metrolinx test the test car when its has no track in the first place.

If Sheppard East was to be the test bed, it should had open in 2014 as plan and the shit would hit the fan before then regarding the problems on both sides.

Metrolinx continues to demonstrate how incompetency it is not only in running a Regional System, but buying things as well building it. Then BBD has demonstrate that its not a world leader in Transportation its supposed to be by using crap in NA compare world wide and talk from both sides of its mouth.

At the same time, the Province has made a mess of things going back as far as 2006 by doing things on a shoe string and putting people in charge of a transportation organization that lack the background to run it as well plan for the future.

Buying votes with jobs and products at higher cost shows how wasteful it is.

At the end of the day, lines will be built, but open years late and shafting everyone.

Heads need to roll.

Once the legal matter is dealt with, time Metrolinx as well TTC to find other suppliers and they are out there waiting to be call.

The folks in Thunder Bay better start worrying about jobs, as BBD plant could be seeing its last good times.
 
drum118 said:
Once the legal matter is dealt with, time Metrolinx as well TTC to find other suppliers and they are out there waiting to be call.

The folks in Thunder Bay better start worrying about jobs, as BBD plant could be seeing its last good times.
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I'm not relly sure if that will happen The TTC is quite happy with both the T1's and the Toronto Rocket trains. Yes the new streetcars are taking their time but they should in no way be dragged into the gong show metrolinx is trying to create by being stupid,
 
I'm pretty sure the TTC is much happier with their new streetcars than Calgary Transit with their Siemens LRVs.
 
denfromoakvillemilton said:
metrolinx has just been mediocre in all aspects of transit since it was formed. I get ford was elected but at some point something has to give. And as for BBD, no more dealing with companies just because they are canadian.
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So a canadian company isn't allowed to bid on contracts being funded by the government of Canada and Ontario. Yes I'm sure they will relly like that lets take high skilled jobs we could have poel doing in Canada and have them done elsewhere. Oh and don't forget lets have the company gettin said vehicles pay import tax and ty on it as well I'm sure the TTC would love to have to pay more for an imported subway train vs having one built in Canada.
 
Much of any subway train or streetcar is imported already. Remember all the trouble blamed on the Mexican streetcar frames? The issue is how much Canadian content - mostly assembly - is reasonable to expect.

This is pertinent in the streetcar context because the Feds were not full partners (Miller mishandling things and John Baird freaking out - and considering how slowly the cars have arrived I think it's fair to say applying for them under stimulus funding was just dumb) but they get the benefit of the federal income tax these workers pay (and Toronto's residents can hardly seek employment over 1000km from their homes!)

Who is to say Toronto taxpayers shouldn't prize a BBD competitor providing local jobs to assemble vehicles in the 416, as Alstom is doing in Ottawa, over a somewhat higher net Cdn content one built elsewhere (and years behind schedule)
 
EastYorkTTCFan said:
So a canadian company isn't allowed to bid on contracts being funded by the government of Canada and Ontario. Yes I'm sure they will relly like that lets take high skilled jobs we could have poel doing in Canada and have them done elsewhere. Oh and don't forget lets have the company gettin said vehicles pay import tax and ty on it as well I'm sure the TTC would love to have to pay more for an imported subway train vs having one built in Canada.
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No one said ban them, just open it up.
dowlingm said:
Much of any subway train or streetcar is imported already. Remember all the trouble blamed on the Mexican streetcar frames? The issue is how much Canadian content - mostly assembly - is reasonable to expect.

This is pertinent in the streetcar context because the Feds were not full partners (Miller mishandling things and John Baird freaking out - and considering how slowly the cars have arrived I think it's fair to say applying for them under stimulus funding was just dumb) but they get the benefit of the federal income tax these workers pay (and Toronto's residents can hardly seek employment over 1000km from their homes!)

Who is to say Toronto taxpayers shouldn't prize a BBD competitor providing local jobs to assemble vehicles in the 416, as Alstom is doing in Ottawa, over a somewhat higher net Cdn content one built elsewhere (and years behind schedule)
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Exactly.
 
As a loyal blackberry costumer I always argue with my apple friends that they should support Canadian business. I can say that because I believe blackberry products to be close to or on par to apples. I used to see bombardier logos on trains and have a sense of pride. Now I'm embarrassed for them. There comes a point I can't support something just because it's Canadian. And what motivation are we giving them to improve if they know we will never leave them.
 
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